well if pro-Israel means I think there should be one, as opposed to not, ten of course I am pro-Israel. I am in favor of leaving people the hell alone. This includes not bombing them.
On 8/16/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that in the contexts of our discussion, "pro-jew" really just means > that you aren't anti-jew, that you don't carry a bias against them because > they are Jewish, and you would not wish harm or even death upon them simply > because they are Jewish. > > It does NOT mean that you have to support them in all aspects just because > they are jewish...cuz as you pointed out, that's another form of bias. > > On 8/15/06, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey Hatton. Good for you. WHy do I have to be pro-Jew though? I like > > Mike D. I like Judith. I even, lord help me, like Sam. Kinda. Don't > > let it go to your head, Sam. There are probably other Jews on this > > list whom I like, but do not realize they are Jewish. If they don't > > identify as such, what is their Jewishness to me? My point is that it > > seems to me to be a type of prejudice to make sweeping statements, > > even favorable, about a group of people about whom I admittedly know > > little.... > > > > On 8/15/06, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I will admit one fallacy in my earlier logic that was pointed out by a > > > few. To be anti-Israel and refer to their government actions is one > > > thing and since Israel is a democratic state and has some form of > > > freedom of expression I will agree that you *can* be anti-Israel and > > > still be pro-Jew. > > > > > > However, there are a LOT of things that you can't support and still be > > > "pro-Jew". Here's a few that come to mind: > > > - You can not tell me that Israel as a government is not allowed to > > > defend itself. > > > - You can not deny the existence of the Jewish state of Israel > > > - You can not turn a blind eye to the hate speech of the Arab world > > > when it comes to Israel and "all of Zion" (that means us too, folks). > > > > > > Those being listed, let me pose these questions: > > > - Can you support an organization that calls Palestenian terrorists > > > victims and be pro-Jew? > > > - Can you back an organizatoin that would, if not kept in check, allow > > > the Arab world to walk over Israel with military force and be pro-Jew? > > > - Can accept the rhetoric of people who call Israel's self-defense > > > triggered military actons acts of terror and still be pro-Jew? > > > - Can you support a political party with members who would rather see > > > Palestenians be the sole owners of what we currently know as Israel > > > and still be pro-Jew? > > > > > > Again, I admit my fallacy in the blanket statement that, "you cannot > > > be anti-Israel and pro-Jew". However I will define Israel as the > > > nation not as it's government and that changes the reading you have to > > > put into it. > > > > > > Then again I could also point out that here in the US, in Canada, in > > > Britain and even in Israel citizens have the RIGHT to oppose the > > > actions of their government. In almost every Arab state I've seen, > > > the descenting opinion is either never heard or silenced shortly after > > > it is heard and never heard from again. That doesn't count for much > > > in this discussion but it does bear mentioning. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:213374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
