> RoMunn wrote:
> you are assuming that they don't have any experts already. but I know,
> bush sucks...
>

You're being flippant, but I'll put context and data to "Bush sucks".
Middle East progress should not be judged with arbitrary emotional
appeals, but measurable progress based on goals consistent with
America's security needs.

If we look at some reasonable expected goals:

1.) Decreased ability of Al-Quaeda to command and lead operations.
The expectation would be yearly drops down to an ability to no longer
operate.  In 5 years we've failed to reach that goal and how close we
are to it is unknown.  At a minimum we know AQ still retains the
ability to run large international operations.

2.) Decreased environment for Al-Quaeda to operate.  While AQ has lost
full run of Afghanistan, that's really about it.  Other than that
there seems to be no progress and the recruit pool seems to have
grown.

3.) In Iraq we should expect a increasing level of the government to
operate itself and an increasing level of peace.  The exact opposite
is happening.

On all metrics associated with these reasonable goals the Bush team
has failed.  So if we're accurately judging Bush on metrics based on
reasonable goals, yup, he sucks.

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