Yes we do...we've all seen your less diplomatic side :) Good post.
On 9/28/06, loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You have no idea how hard it was to be nice :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:46 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Can someone please respond to this guy? > > > > Good post. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:36 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Can someone please respond to this guy? > > > > > > I signed up over there. Here's my post: > > > > > > To be honest I'm surprised to hear this question coming from someone > > that > > > has obviously done some minimal research. > > > > > > You mention several of our communities biggest and most well known > > > advocates, you see the money that is being made off of publication of > > > ColdFusion resources, now let's touch on just a bit of what CF can > > actually > > > offer you. > > > > > > One of the biggest complaints that I hear about CF is the cost of the > > > license. Now, I am a government developer. This means of course that > we > > can > > > usually get reduced pricing as Macromedia, and now Adobe, really has > > seen > > > the largest growth of CF in the government sector, and I think they > > would > > > like to continue that growth. > > > > > > The licensing is greatly offset by the ease and speed of development > and > > the > > > built in integration with many cutting edge technologies such as Web > > > Services, Flash, Flex, Ajax and the new gateways and listeners opening > > the > > > possibilities into a further expansion of the technologies that CF > will > > > easily interact with. > > > > > > SEO complaints are unfair. If you are a good developer and know what > > you > > > are doing you can easily optimize any site or application for search > > engine > > > crawling. Any language can be badly written. That is dependent on > the > > > developer at hand. The fact that CF seems to have a higher number of > > > non-traditional programmers, ones that maybe didn't go to college or > > didn't > > > intended to become developers, seems to have created a glut of bad > > > applications. This isn't the fault of either the language or the > > > application server. You can see very close similarity in some of the > > PHP > > > projects that are out there that are horribly written. > > > > > > Something else that I think is important to point out. The majority > of > > > development done in CF is for web based applications, not web sites. > > The > > > audience for CF is working on closed systems for government and > industry > > > intranet applications primarily. > > > > > > Additional attention I think needs to be paid to the government angle. > > A > > > lot of the developers I know work in defense, law enforcement and > > > intelligence. We cannot talk about a lot of the applications we work > > on. > > > They are classified. However if you go to the Adobe site you can see > > the > > > depth and breadth of the agencies that are using CF for internal > > software > > > development. > > > > > > Anyway, I have to be honest; I think your original article was both > > > uninformed and offensive to me as a CF developer. I just did a search > > for > > > ColdFusion jobs on monster.com and came up with hundreds of > jobs. These > > > jobs are not low level and low pay positions with some piker web dev > > shed; > > > these are senior level positions in corporate and government circles. > > > > > > I am happy with CF, even though I have and continue to write other > > > languages, it is my preference for doing browser based > applications. I > > make > > > a good living, and I am able to continue to expand my skill set and my > > > abilities. > > > > > > Finally, I'm Tim/Loathe, I spend a lot of time over at House of > Fusion. > > No > > > one over there is hiding from you; honestly we were just discussing > what > > > seemed to be your obvious distaste for the language, coupled with your > > > obvious lack of knowledge about CF, as a language, an application > server > > or > > > a community of developers. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:45 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Can someone please respond to this guy? > > > > > > > > he's an asshat. > > > > > > > > because he doesn't want to subscribe (where he's be able to see all > of > > > > our names), he says we're hiding under tne "anonymity" of the site. > > > > > > > > he closes his article with "ColdFusion deserves better". That's > > > > particularly true of the person that webpronews chose to assign to > its > > > > coverage of ColdFusion. > > > > > > > > On 9/27/06, Judith Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > By the way, the guy did a follow-up article where he took a jab at > > HoF > > > > and > > > > > this list. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/expertarticles/wpn-62- > > > > 20060925ColdFusionMattersAndYourResponses.html > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the crazy wrap. > > > > > > > > > > Judith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your peers, delivered to your door four times a year. http://www.fusionauthority.com/quarterly Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:216305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
