The Danas of the world recognize hypocrisy when they see it ;) Look these 
detainees are either prisoners of war or they have been arrested for a crime or 
there is some security reason to hold them. Right? 

If they are prisoners of war then the Red Cross is entitled to talk to them. 
There is the question of what you do with a prisoner of war in a war currently 
scheduled to last all of our lifetimes, but let's just note that and move on. 

If they have been arrested for a crime, I don't know how to break this to you, 
but the normal procedure would be to send them through the courts. If they are 
found guilty then they get whatever sentence they get. Sometimes they get 
deported instead or as well. If they are found not guilty they are released. 
But here is the problem. You have to release then if they are found not guilty 
or if ther is unsufficient evidence. For whatever reason the administration 
does not seem to want to do this. So let's note that and move on.

If they are being held for security reasons -- and this is what the government 
would have us believe -- then at what point does that stretch credulity? How 
many state secrets does a fifteen-year-old have access to? How do they expect 
us to keep a straight face when the ties to al_Qaeda consist of serving lunch 
to someone at the restaurant where you work as a waiter?

More importantly, since self-interest seems to be the guiding principle of this 
group, once it is ok for one category of people to have no rights, then it may 
become ok for another category of people to have no rights. Ask not for whom 
the bell tolls. 

Most importantly, to me at least, if the fact that the government no longer 
even bothers to try to lie to us. We've already given it cate blanche. To 
whomever asked what was wrong with these military commissions, what is wrong 
with them is that they are exactly the same ones that the Supreme Court just 
said were unconstitutional, except that the defendants no longer have recourse 
to protest their detention or their treatment or their innocence. And a 
majority of Congress voted for this, in a decisions that I am sure will rank 
right up there with the Dred Scott decision. 

But pardon me for intruding on your first-person-shooter view of the world. I 
think I'll just go toast the Constitution, and the possibility it was.

Dana

>What else is there? WIthout a fair international court..the only other
>option is in a US civil court. I don't even think the Dana's of the world
>think these people deserve all the rights and procedures granted an American
>citizen in our civilian judicial system.
>
>-- 
>"Lend our voices only to sounds of freedom. No longer lend our strength to
>that which we wish to be free from, and we shall live a life uncommon."

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