after, my friend, after. I also find your points below to be an interesting 
analogy; one of the things they teach you about neighborhood organizing is that 
you cannot cannot come in from the outside and tell the neighborhood what it's 
goals are. TO rephrase a cliche, the lightbulb has to want to change.

Dana

>It's an interesting question because the US population would've never
>had supported the war for ONLY those reasons, so I'm wondering if they
>were laid out prior to invasion or after.
>
>My analogy for Iraq now is that it's like the 45 year old alcoholic
>you're helping.  You've spent thousands on therapy, treatment,
>clothes, education, etc and, while he's not a total failure he's not
>really progressing either.  Your family is starting to complain and so
>is your checkbook.
>
>So you have to ask yourself 2 questions about continuing:
>
>1.) Who's more important: the drunk or your family, and
>2.) Will ANY amount of resources solve this problem or is it a problem
>of the alcoholic's will?  Does he want for himself what you want for
>him?

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