> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:09 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: mixed religion households
> 
> I require proof. More than faith, more than belief. Prove it.
> 
> And don't come back with the "prove there isn't a god" argument that I
> hear so often. I don't have to. I don't believe in god, you do, the
> burden is upon you therefore to prove he exists.

Personally I prefer the less volatile "you can't prove a negative" argument.


You just can't.  Forget God, heaven, hell and all that: you just can't prove
that something, anything "doesn't exist".

A good discussion here:

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/%22You_Can't_Prove_a_Negative%22

What I'd REALLY like to stop hearing is that completely dumb-ass "how can
you look at X and not believe in God" where "X" is something supposedly so
perfect or beautiful that I must instantly take up the mantel of the Lord
and pray.

It's a positive take on the utterly insulting "there are no atheists in
foxholes" argument but just as insulting.  Like a flower in bloom, or sunset
or (my favorite) a baby.  Yeah, babies are great.  The design of babies
shows some great intelligence...

You have a creature whose birth often places its sole natural source of food
in mortal danger.  If everybody does survive you've got at least several
years where the baby is utterly incapable of defending itself, getting its
own food or keeping itself alive.

Then, the most intelligent "design parameter" of all, you've got a creature
that can learn the nuance of SPOKEN LANGUAGE but can't, sometimes for
several more years, learn not to SHIT ON ITSELF.

Yeah, babies, make a believer out of me.

Sorry... I think I went off on a rant there.

Jim Davis


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