If overthrowing the current government is what it takes then so be it. I'm saying, arrest anyone stirring sectarian or anti American violence. If they resist you kill them.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:59 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush's Iraq Policy Revealed! - Sorry for the book. > > Loathe, best case, what do you see happening in Iraq? > > If all of Bush's plans, as I currently understand them, get put together, > we > are going to see a Shia government put in place in Iraq. > > Guess where their loyalty will lie? > > Iran. > > So what we will have, by all of the deaths, and fancy words, will be to > have > killed Saddam, brought down his government, and turned it over to Iran. > > Yep, let's make sure we finish this one. > > What you are not taking into account is that _we_ don't run their > government. We have already put a government in place. And they don't like > us much. Unlike the wwII examples you used, we don't have the ability > (assuming we follow the rules we have already established) to take over > the > country like we did in Europe and Japan. We are there on their sufference. > > We _cannot_ win in Iraq, unless we kill the elected officials and the > military leadership in Iraq. Because the people now in charge in Iraq > _are_ > the ones stirring the sectarian violence. The ones in charge of the police > and military are _also_ in charge of the Shia death squads. > > And those few in Iraq who are non-sectarian, and truly want an open, > democratic, and secular Iraq are in the same position as the leaders of > Lebanon, and in some respects, Pakistan and Afghanistan. > > They don't have the power, the guns, or the political will to fight it out > with those they need to put down. > > So by default, the bad guys are going to win. In Iraq, the only question > right now is: which bad guys? > > > On 1/6/07, loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Damn good post. > > > > I would like to mention that in addition to the policy shift change that > > there have been some major shake ups in the chain of command, including > > the > > new director of intelligence, who is a much better choice than > Negroponte > > (he'll do fine at state) was; and the change to the on the ground > > commander > > for Iraq. Gen. Petraious(sp?) is an incredible leader. Yeah, people > > bitch > > because he's aggressive and competitive, but what leader at that level > > isn't? He's also an intellectual, smart as hell, with several degrees, > > and > > a great soldier. I met him once a long time ago. He has presence. > Like > > Gen. Hugh Shelton does. > > > > I see him as a future Chairman of the JCS. If there is a man that can > > implement this, he can. > > > > I don't want to see more American dead soldiers than we have already, > and > > being one of the few here that has seen dead American soldiers, trust me > > that's true. I also cannot sit back and allow this nation to pass on > its > > responsibility to the people of Iraq now. > > > > See Gruss, this is where you kind of disappointed me man. You jumped > > ship. > > You were of the "we broke it we bought it" mindset, now you're "all > > retreat > > and run". What happened? > > > > Let's say that none of the cease fire violations occurred, none of the > UN > > resolutions. > > > > Let's say all we had to go on was what we saw at the time from Saddam > > (ejection of inspectors and so forth) and the flawed intelligence. > > > > Now I work with these people, saw some of what they saw at that time, > not > > to > > mention I was still in the military with friends around the world, and > we > > talk. > > > > We thought he had shit; analysts thought he had shit. > > > > I would still have been for the invasion, and I was for the invasion > then. > > > > Now, we come to today. We invaded, granted, on flawed intelligence > (like > > that hasn't happened before). How is our responsibility to these people > > any > > less? > > > > "Oh, we found out that the intelligence was bad, let's just pull out > now. > > Sure, Saddam is dead, but someone strong will emerge and kill the bad > > guys. > > He'll be another bad guy, but we just realized, this war stuff sucks!!" > > > > 3000 Americans have died in this country, Iraq. > > > > Not even a 10th of what was spent in Vietnam. > > > > Nothing compared to earlier wars. > > > > Yet far too many to cut and run. Far too many to now say it's their > > problem. They didn't invite us. They fought against us remember? > > > > Look at what happened after World War 2. Remember the Marshall > > plan? There > > were large scale troop movements around and into Europe at all times, to > > provide security and training. Rebuilding on a huge scale, far more > money > > was spent (when you account for inflation) than what has been spent in > > Iraq. > > Far many more lives expended, far more work done. > > > > Decades, of camps and Nazi hunting and reprogramming; put forth to > rebuild > > what was ravaged. Years of military government, military without even > the > > pretense of a puppet regime needed. > > > > Look at Japan. Look at Korea, where we still only have a cease fire, > and > > we > > still have troops stationed. > > > > Silly people. Welcome to Empire America. > > > > This is what the slow slide left has wrought on our nation. > > > > I still however can't see just backing out. Too many of my friends, my > > brothers, have given their lives for that soil, for this idea. > > > > I want to be able to believe that ideas, the intellect and morals and > > ethics > > still matter in this world. I have so little left at this point. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:223897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
