On 1/28/07, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/27/07, Denny Valliant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ....
> Remember Al Gores lock box? He didn't come up with that because the > republicans were raiding the SS funds. He came up with it because > Clinton did. When the Internet was fresh and companies were dumping First off, sorry for being so short. I'm not saying Clinton was some angel. I think if you look at the law, really, you'll see most presidents since X have been breaking it. I remember reading a pretty cool article about the FBI. And I keep mentioning the FedRez. Anyways, Bush Jr. was just plain irresponsible with our finances. More irresponsible than Clinton, even! If that makes my point. .... > As for our global standing, Clinton downgraded the military, did > little when we were attacked and played nicely with Arafat and China. > In other words he weakened our position as the worlds only superpower > and other countries like that. I don't because I'm not sure how much I > can trust the next super power. I too wonder about Clinton and China. But as another thread is starting to tie in-- this /is/ a "global community" now. We gotta start acting like it. =-/ .... > Clinton is the one that raided the SS fund. Bush wanted to fix it and > the Dems fought like hell to leave it broken. See the problem there. Bush Jr. /wanted/ to fix it. Poor dude, surrounded by yes men but still draws a no. Almost magically. Those dems really been giving him a tough time, like the reps did to Clinton. Not. I wish tho. > The tuna industry that lobbied really hard to get off the list. > > What about those "other" industries? Why was Tuna special? > > And isn't that sorta anti-capitalistic --manipulating the market? > > Not true and I published the link to prove it. You should be concern > about how the tuna industry almost got away without a minimum wage > increase. So what's this?: "... the dilemma that we have is that to lower the action levels, so they're protective of fetuses, it would actually put the availability of certain kinds of fish in question. We would lose some fish." Then he is asked: "Like King Mackeral [sic], shark, and swordfish?" He replies, "Well, those in particular, but also tuna." (emphasis added, Macro International, Inc. 2000i - Boston, November 8, 8 pm, pg 65<http://www.ewg.org/reports/FocusPocus/pages/FDA110800_8pm_page65.pdf> ). Don't tell me there's no tom foolery going on there. Wages are a topic for another thread. l-) > I don't buy that, sorry. By supporting Israel, we're getting all sticky > > with... stuff. Gross stuff. And I like how you avoided the whole > > religious aspect as to why Bush Jr. is so "concerned" with Israel. > > Because religion has nothing to do with it. BS! Sorry, but if you're saying Bush Jr. doesn't let religion effect his choices, I think you are mistaken. I don't know if he "believes" of course. > Bush Jr. IS pretty religious, right? That would be hard to refute at > > this point. So, since he had to pull his religion into it, we have to > > think about the aspects of his "faith". And don't tell me his faith > > isn't concerned with Israel, and not in a canary/mine-shaft way. > > Now you're implying that as a born again Christian, they want to > create Armageddon in Israel so the world can end and they can go to > heaven. That would make you either gullible or nuts. It's odd how there was a space right there? Sorta like /god/ put it there for me, man! I mean, isn't quite a bit of this bull shit about religion? Sure, there's the whole, "financial" and "stability" "hidden" aspects, but I thought the main deal was a problem with people who mix religion with statesmanship. Israel just wants peace and they're not very religious. Yet many > nations want to destroy them because they're Jews and you seem to be > ok with that. As long as you see it as a religious war it's fine. But What? I don't see it as anything. A tough situation, sure. You can look at history and see how things came to be that way tho. I'm actually warning of the dangers of seeing it as a war over religion. Perhaps a war over A Religion, controlling a government made up of various religions. That's cool. I really don't like law makers interpreting gods will to create law. That's kinda dumb. "Um, yeah, god said, like, all your base are belong to us". look at it another way. Palestinians aren't allowed citizenship in any > Arab nation yet they are in Israel. They aren't allowed to vote in > other Arab nation but they are in Israel. Yeah... look how stoked they are! It's only a matter of time till they win their hearts and minds! Heck, it's not like this is one of those age old battles over /land/, right? ( Mostly by the people drawing the lines on the map, vs. the folks actually living in those lines! (as always:)) So do you think the nice folks blowing up women and children are the > good guys or are they all evil? Well, that depends. Sometimes that's us. How did that line go? "have you killed people?" "Yes- but they were all bad". True Lies. Hehehe. I certainly don't think it's something that should be done on a daily basis. Which makes me appreciate how lucky we are, many of us, spread out about this planet. > Why do you think Israel is more important than any of the others? > > (since that show on PBS about the history of the region-- Turkey > > sounds pretty interesting. We'll have to ask O to the funky G to > > elaborate ;) > > We actually work with most of the Middle Eastern countries. Remember > Kuwait? And should I go google for the the dollar counts of aid? I'm sure we give just as much to Kuwait. (sly wink). Seriously, Turkey (if I was paying attn) managed to de-religiousitize it's government. Seems to me that's a big part of the problem in that one, kinda /small/ area of the globe we call the middle east( although, the middle of what?, and east of what? We're on a freaking globe.:). There's actually quite a bit going on elsewhere, but you know how our attention spans are. And money and whatnot. Oh, wait, it's about the principal, and fighting "terror". Heh. Bet some kid somewhere is "terrified" of not getting enough grub and thus dying-- does that count? The terrierests are using Hunger! We gotta fight 'em with bread! And potatoes. > No, every group may /want/ power, or some other sorta glass-half-empty- > > type-of-deal, but not all are able to use people's emotions and tragic > events > > to usurp things that rightly belong to others. Normally there are > checks and > > balances. I must not remember when Clinton tried to say that legally he > > didn't have to answer to an entire arm of the government, as I thought > we'd > > Didn't he spend most of his presidency trying not to answer question > by the courts. When he finally did he just lied and pressured his > witness to lie. Ha! I thought you'd bring up the bit about waging a war without the approval of congress, or NAFTA or something. Don't try to compare the lies of a personal nature with the lies of the sort Bush Jr. has professed. Really Sam, it doesn't compare. How did Clinton's lies effect /my/ freedom? .... > I never said everyone does it and I don't agree with your assessment > that Bush is ignoring the judiciary. Well, ok. You like the idea of having your phone tapped? Maybe you wouldn't mind if some g-man tapped your mom's phone, learned of an affair with the gardener, and then blackmailed your mom into voting for a gnostic democrat president? If it were up to "them", you'd never learn the power was abused-- For National Security, of course. To keep you safe. Lilly livered bastards taking our liberties. Fnord patriot act. This latest crop of them has been the worst. Don't defent them, Sam! > And Ironically, the Neo-cons have taken us down several notches as > > "the worlds only super power". We might not be the "only one" any > > more. We certainly lost a good bit of moral ground, one of the best > > things we had going for us. Thanks alot, Neo-Cons! Way to protect > > and strengthen a great country! Woot! Soooo much better now!!! > > Are you mixing military might with moral support? Didn't they say that > about that cowboy Ronald Reagan until the wall came down? Sometimes > you have to confront the enemy to make a change for the better. Or you > can sit back and do nothing for decades. Ah, but the devil's in the details. Hrm. Good line for Gruss. =] Our culture had more of an impact on the wall than anything else. Well, that and them putting the military in charge. Smooth move X-lax! And now look. Latest fashion comes from the east! Bill started it, and bush was so wrapped up with his private crusade he didn't even notice. If you subscribe to that whole power struggle whatnot. Yup, Bush Jr. pretty much sucked the marrow out of an already pretty skeletal assemblage... well, it wasn't just him. No, it was a team effort. Too bad we only see the best in people. =] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:226017 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
