I'd agree with most of that... I dont think anything has changed since the beginning. That quote posted earlier from Julius Caesar says it all. It's hard to comprehend how people (as individuals), can actually promote war against other countries in the name of idealism. It's insane and very depressing.
Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: RE: jihad for kids .. wheeee > Therefore, if the US acts in its own self interest, and you agree with > that, then how can you claim that the US should impose ITS ideals UPON > other countries? > > As one list member said, some people are QUITE happy to live the way > they are living, within their societies. Who is the US to attempt to > impose 'Democracy' or 'Capitalism' on these countries? > > I drew a parallel to the thinking during the invasion and decimation of > the New World by Europe. Some people would have thought that they are > doing all that to bring Christianity, and moral values..and ideals to > the people. But it was economic..wasn't it? > > How about instead of FORCING people to accept ideals through military > means, PRESENT these ideals to them by good example, and make a people > WANT to follow them? Make the people THEMSELVES push for change WITHIN > their own countries. > > This, by the way, is not what you've advocated in previous emails. > > The 'Justice' in the US is debateable. > Do you know about the Justice system in Trinidad? Barbados? The > Grenadines? > No..but yet you claim with great authority that you must further the > ideals of Justice and Freedom of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA > .yAAAaayy! > > The same justice that allowed a company to hoodwink it's employees and > destroy their lives whilst operating more or less within the laws? > > That allowed excutives and CEOs of a company/organisation to get > governments to pass laws to protect their business practices? > > You can never get me to believe that the United States is some bastion > of 'JUSTICE'.... > because it is as FLAWED and CORRUPT, (and in some cases maybe even more > so), than any other country in the world. > > Has 'Democracy' really helped the former Soviet Union?? > You can draw an analogy (not exact but relative enough). > All the efforts of the United States to impose it's way of life and > economic model on a country...what has it gotten its citizens? A better > way of life?!? > > And *THAT* is what I am arguing with you! > ***YOUR BLIND PATRIOTISM AND BELIEF THAT THE UNITED STATES IS SOME NEAR > UTOPIA,AND THE BEST EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD TO FOLLOW.*** > > OR at lesat that is how you couch your statements that reek of the same > air of Superiority and 'World Domination' attitude for which America and > Americans are so hated throughout the world. The same attitude which > breeds the resentment that spurs people to follow these madmen. > > But you, just like so many other Americans, won't see that. > It's a fine line between being a super power and supporting countries > and furthering global growth.... > and seeking to extend your influence over the rest of the world wholely > and solely for one's own economic, political, and military gain, just > because one can. > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > You can believe all you want that it's all about oil, but the facts tell > a different story. Sure, there are side benefits to overthrowing > Hussein, such bring Iraq's oil back on to the market. Besides, > potentially, bringing down the price of oil, it would give the US > leverage against Saudi Arabia, a country increasingly viewed as more of > an enemy than a friend (and rightfully so). > > I never said I believed in the altruism of the US government (weren't > you the one complaining about being misconstrued and misquoted?). There > is no doubt we largely act in our own self interest. In many cases, I > don't see a problem with this. What I have said is that our policy must > change after Sept. 11. We must do more to further the ideals we believe > in. I gather those ideals mean nothing to you, since you've never, that > I can recall, have ever said a word in support of freedom and justice. > My impression, and maybe my memory is faulty, so please refute this if I > am wrong, is that you would rather bitch and moan about how horrible the > US is as if you secretly root for its downfall. > > H. > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
