Runs fine on my machine. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: I need an opinion
ok.. time to bare my shame.. why the hell are flash forms so slow? just inherited a mom/pop they wanted to add like 40 fields to a form. was origionaly done using cfform so im like what the hell, lets try a flash form... added all the ccrap they wanted, and now its slow as dog shit http://detailsflorabunda.com/contact-us2.cfm i like the tab deal, but at this point i think i will eat a few hours and redo it. just to slow. -paul On 4/27/07, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bruce, > > You're right, but there are things you can do to minimize the problem. > > One of the most important aspects of testing is ignorance, and the more > the > better. > > <insert jokes here> > > Seriously, ignorance of the application, how it is supposed to be used, > and > even the business processes the application supports is an important thing > for at least a few testers to possess, so that they don't do what we call > "Mary Poppins Testing," which just tests the application the way it is > *supposed* to be used in the best-case scenario. Better to do "Monkey > With > a Stick" testing so you can catch things like back button issues, > launching > multiple windows and interrupting current process flows, etc, and > developers > simply cannot do this themselves. The developer naturally devolves to > testing the way he has been thinking for months: exactly like the > application is supposed to be used. Also, developers think in terms of > specs, which is how the application is communicated to them, but as you > well > know those specs rarely represent the real world use of the application. > > Even when you are aware of this it's still a hard habit to break, and you > can do it correctly to an extent, but never with the perspective of an > ignorant user (monkey with a stick). Maybe that's what your manager wants > you to do before you give the application to him, but you can only go so > far. > > We do a lot of testing and analysis of various kinds for other companies, > so > if you want some free pointers then contact me offline and I'll be happy > to > help. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > > Get advanced intensive Master-level training in > C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at > ProductivityEnhancement.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 4:50 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: I need an opinion > > Hello all, > I am soliciting opinions here. > I recently finished a few applications that are all tied in together. Once > I > finished coding and testing, I released it to the manager here for > testing. > The key word here is testing. I informed him that he may encounter some > bugs, but this is why I wanted him to test it. So of course he encountered > some bugs in the app. After about 4 or 5 bugs later, he got pissed and > said > that he is not going to test anymore until I get all of the bugs worked > out. > I tried to explain that as the programmer I am not as objective as a user, > and this is the reason for testing. He said, "Well that may be the new way > to develop, but when I as a programmer we did not release anything for > testing until we knew it was bug free". I caved in and said that I will > test > it under every scenario that I can think of. > So my question is this: Who is right in this instance? Is it reasonable to > expect that a set of highly complex applications that took several months > to > develop should be 100% bug free? Hell, I encounter bugs all the time on > major sites on the internet, and these are being release to millions of > folks, not like the few hundred here that will use it. > > Oh, and a little history. He says that he is getting pressure from his > managers to get these app live. When I interviewed for this contract back > in > December, based on the documentation given to me (about three pages > worth), > I said that this could be done within the 200 hours they budgeted. Well, > after having a couple of meeting with stakeholders, I realized that this > was > going to take way longer than 200 hours, I informed my manager of this and > he was OK with it. So now we have a new assistant city general manager who > is a numbers guy and watches his budget like a hawk and apparently he is > not > happy with the progress. Of course I explained all of this to him a couple > of weeks ago, but I guess since he is not a programmer he finds it hard to > understand things like scope creep and the fact that the applications were > not properly scoped out in the first place. > Not only did the initial set of meeting flesh out the inadequacy of the > original scope documentation, but I ended up meeting with the wrong > person! > The guy I was supposed to meet with was on vacation and he was not made > aware of what I was doing until I had the first part of the app done and > ready for testing. So things changed drastically as a result of this, and > added a few more weeks to the development. > > My impression is that my manager is reverting to CYA mode and since I am > just a contractor, he is going to try to lay the blame on me. But then > again > I may be getting paranoid here. > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > Bruce Sorge > > "I'm a mawg: half man, half dog. I'm my own best friend!" > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:233470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
