Another problem with using violence to displicine children is that the act of hitting the kid reinforces such behaviors in the person administering the discipline. In other words he or she is going to be more likely to hit the kid again. Not only for that transgression but for a wider range of behaviors.
I am not saying that it will happen, only that the probability that corporal punishment will be used again will be much greater. Moreover it also reinforces more violent behaviors in the kid. Estes in the 60's came up with a set of very elegant formula that had a pretty good predictibility for this. regards, larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:14 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Punishment versus Abuse (was Re:RE: Come see the violence > inheren t in the system!) > > > > I never meant to suggest that any one here was pro abuse, I > don't for a > second think you (or anyone here is). > > I have a 3 year old son, which is why talk of slapping 3 year old boys > across the face got my back up.. > > >I am *not* pro-abuse and I don't agree that "if you accept > the moderate > >you have to accept the extreme" (from Mark's email to me). > I don't buy > >into that. I also think that if you raise a child (or don't > raise in > >this case) then the parent should be to blame for at least > part of the > >problem. > > Not accept the extreme, but accept that moderate is > interpreted different by > everyone. Through previous jobs, I came across parents who > thought extreme > violence was moderate and they had doen nothing wrong. > > Violence also has an inherent tendancy of escalating. Once > accepted even on > a lower scale if the childs behaviour deteriorates the logic > of the argument > means that the violence escalates in kind. > > These combined tells me it's best never to smack or hit kids, > but thats down > to the individual parents. > > Don't forget its the slapping across the face remark, which > started me off. > And thats way out of order. I don't think that the person > meant it badly, > but people could read it and the following comments and walk > away thinking > its acceptable. > > When it's simply not > Mark > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 25 February 2002 16:46 > To: CF-Community > Subject: Punishment versus Abuse (was Re:RE: Come see the violence > inherent in the system!) > > > I think that one thing that really needs to be defined in this (and > other) situations with children is the fact that while we are using > very strong language (myself included) for physical > punishment, I don't > think a single one of us is suggesting, proposing or > supporting abusing > the child. > > I grew up in a household that spanked. If my child's actions warrant > the same punishment then my wife and I have already agreed that there > will be no belts, paddles or switches (a piece of wood). I used to > have to go pick my own switch and those who have done this can attest > to the mental punishment that gives as well. > > In all seriousness I believe in corporal punishment because I > know all > too well that verbal punishment and trying to reason with a > three year > old does not always work for all children. A 3 year old attacking an > adult stranger is unacceptable in my eyes and should have been dealt > with long before it got as far as it did. > > I am *not* pro-abuse and I don't agree that "if you accept > the moderate > you have to accept the extreme" (from Mark's email to me). I > don't buy > into that. I also think that if you raise a child (or don't raise in > this case) then the parent should be to blame for at least > part of the > problem. > > Hatton > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
