Tony,

Good to hear from you!  

My point wasn't that you couldn't name large companies that have gone with
ColdFusion; it was that *most* of them haven't.  Also, most of BOA isn't
ColdFusion.  Their most important functionality isn't ColdFusion, IIRC.

And these days we're rarely in a position to steer new clients in one
direction or another.  As we have moved into ASP.NET our clients have gotten
bigger, so many already had formal IT plans based on .NET, and we were there
to create a part of it.

And as far as the larger money machine goes, I don't think Microsoft pays
MSDN contributors.  It's just professional developers who contribute killer
content that's really useful.  And remember that publishers acquire book
titles based on market projections because they are in the business of
making money, which is why everyone except Macromedia Press dumped
ColdFusion titles a couple of years back.

So a good picture of the development industry *can* be easily had by
searching for recent titles on Amazon.com and thumbing through the content
of related magazines.  It's an accurate snapshot of the current state of
things.  And between the two platforms you can plot things like number of
new titles published each year and number of content pages in each magazine
issue, and see how that parallels actual popularity of the platform during
that year.

Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Is CF dying? (Of course not!)

On 5/24/07, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It was really hard for us to tiptoe away from ColdFusion and toward
ASP.NET
> after all these years, but we just couldn't deny what was happening:
>
> * Most of the popular sites were either not written in ColdFusion, or were
> trying to move away from it.

by who's scale? bank of america? victorias secret?

>
> * Most of the largest businesses didn't run on ColdFusion, and those that
> did were in the process of moving to another platform.  And don't count
> Adobe; they switched to ColdFusion for obvious political reasons (how
would
> it have looked if they didn't eat their own dog food?).

sometimes idiots with a lot of money, make bad choices. again, see my
examples above.
> The more we've moved into .NET, the better our business has been, and the
> more we've been able to do for our clients.  We still do some CFML (almost
> entirely on BlueDragon.NET), but new projects are typically ASP.NET-based.

thats killer for you guys. good stuff!  but, as the geeks in the
situation, you could
steer your clients any way you wanted to.

> If you want a glimpse of how far you can go with .NET, go to your local
> bookstore and thumb all the way through a recent copy of MSDN magazine.
> Then for the sake of comparison, thumb through a recent copy of CFDJ
> Magazine (if you can find it on the magazine rack).  Compare the content
of
> the two magazines, and ask yourself which one best represents the best
> future for you as a professional developer.

> Then go to Amazon.com and search for ASP.NET titles published within the
> most recent three years (just ASP.NET; we're not even talking about the
> other .NET-related technologies that businesses are clamoring for, like
> SharePoint and Windows Presentation Foundation).  Then do the same for
> ColdFusion titles.

i dont see how this matters... its just got a larger money machine behind
it.



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