Geez, Did I break the list?
Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/02 02:27PM >>> To interject a brief note of optimism, I think it is great that we care! It is a new development in the world that we (we meaning this list which is represented by many cultures around the globe) hear about these kind of problems around the world, and that it disturbs us enough to spend/waste our time talking about it. I think it is a fairly short step until this kind of sectarian violence just isn't tolerated in the world community. For example, I think a massacre like Srebrenica or Rowanda or Iraqi Kurds are less likely today than 10 years ago, and will be less likely to occur 20 years from now. Some people here in the U.S. think this is a sign of a "World Government", I think it is more of a sign of the world declaring some stuff just isn't allowed any more. As another example, I can not see the kind of secrecy existing today for what the Japanese did in WWII with the testing of the plague on Chinese civilian population (The CDC and WHO would uncover it pretty quickly.) Or the US government covering it up to get a jump on the Russians. It does not help those on the front lines, but the world can see and feel the tragedy in the loss of 10 people in Israel. And the loss of 10 dead to Ebola in Gabon. And the loss of dozens to flash flooding in Bolivia. And here in the U.S., we feel the tragedy of the loss of each individual America casualty in the "War on Terror". (A luxury to be sure) We no longer have to lose hundreds in a ferry accident in Indonesia or thousands in a week to civil war to rate top line front page news. I think we really are getting better at this "caring for others" thing. It just takes a while to grow into something better, and all growth comes in fits and starts. But I can see a marked difference during each decade of my lifetime. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/04/02 12:48PM >>> Ben Yes, its a big problem. Unfortunately it looks like it doesn't get solved, it just continues... -----Original Message----- From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 March 2002 17:24 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation Thanks Mark but a big problem - when you are sure God(s) is/are on your side, and have been indoctrinated this way since childhood, how does the conflict ever get resolved? All the cease-fires, treaties, "peace-keeping" armies, etc. you can imagine cannot make someone stop hating someone else, when that's what they have been taught all their life. -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:20 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > i'm 100% with you Ben, religion is a convienient way for > politicians to hide > their real motives for conflict. > > but it would probably be more depressing if religion was the > real reason > > m > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 04 March 2002 16:57 > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > Todd- > yes, also tragic > > saw a photo of Muslim woman sitting outside her burned-out > home praying > (house was torched by Hindu mob) > > the things like this humans can do to each other disgust me... > > Israelis (Jews) vs. Palestinians (Muslims) > India (Hindu vs. Muslim) > Iraq (Sunni Muslim vs. Shiite Muslim) > Serbs (Orthodox) vs. Croats (Catholic) vs. Bosnians (Muslims) > Northern Ireland (Protestants vs. Catholics) > Southern Phillipines (Muslim vs. Catholic) > > common thread: all of these are painted as *religious* conflicts, > but in reality they seem to be about > gaining/keeping/increasing political > and economic POWER. > > depressing is an understatement... > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:47 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Israel vs. Palestinian escalation > > > > > > How about all of that stuff going on in India? *shakes head* > > > > Todd > > > > > So the Palestinians increase the violence of their attacks > > on Israeli > > > civilian and military targets, thinking Israel will "give" > > and end the > > > "occupation". > > > Rather, the Israelis increase the violence of their > > "retaliatory" attacks, > > > thinking the Palestinians will "give". > > > Each side appears to think more violence will break the > > other side's will. > > > Instead, it makes each side's resolve even greater. > > > > > > And neither side is apparently willing to take any of the blame. > > > > > > Is there an answer to this other than more and more death? > > > Much sadness... > > > > > > -Ben > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
