I have very strong feelings on this issue and I do tend to let them run things sometimes.
My arguments, what arguments are to be made? It seems there are two sides. Those that want out and those that want to stay. I honestly consider it offensive and unpatriotic to want to pull out now. I find there to be something deficient in people that can think this way. My point is I don't care about the arguments for or against. I care that I killed people. That my friends have died and been wounded. The motivations at this point mean little to me. Why be civil? We're talking about war. Not a tea party. How would I run things? Define who our enemies are. In my view that would currently include Iran, Syria, some of Lebanon, some of Pakistan, Palestine, and various non-governmental terror groups. State in a declaration of war the names of the nations and organizations we are fighting. That way we know who our targets are, and our goal becomes dismantling those governments and organizations to the point that they can no longer operate. Begin drafting all males 18-30 let's say. Yes, I mean all of them. 2 years out of school isn't going to hurt you in the long run, unless you're killed or wounded. Identify strategic resources, oil, steel and so forth. Begin rationing and turn in support of the war effort. Establish headquarters in Saudi, Afghanistan and Iraq where you will marshal troops and handle logistics. Use our conventional first strike capabilities to destroy the infrastructure of the nations and groups involved. Invade ALL locations where the nations and organizations are operating. Begin stability and security operations - Marshall plan 2 Open large scale reeducation camps across the middle east. That's how a nation would go to war. Now the stuff you don't want to hear. I think less of men that haven't worn the uniform, especially in time of war. We have this great nation, all these freedoms and rights, but no one wants to sacrifice to earn it anymore. Whether you're talking about our immigration arguments, or the common citizen. Our country is full of weak people that want everything handed to them, and don't want to ever face adversity. In the days after Sept. 11th this country rallied, but even then you could see that it was BS. 3000 dead, and we let the Taliban start coming back? How many attacks and cease fire violations should we have allowed the Iraqis to carry out before we did something? I flip out, I'm nuts, blah blah blah. When it comes right down to it my response (no retreat, no surrender) is an emotional one. Why did I go there and do what I did if the civilians are only going to change their minds now? If these wars are illegal, am I a war criminal? If we don't win what does that make me? So yes, this is an emotional, personal argument. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > I am tired of "gung-ho" Americans deciding that people who disagree > wit hthem are "wusses", "cut and runners", and "throwing in the > towel". > > It is exactly that sort of talk that gets every so mad. > > Sure, put forward your arguments. But keep it civil. You are not doing > _anyone_ any good with that sort of language. > > It really just shows that you have no ideas, just feelings. (Or so it > seems). > > So, you say we need to stay, and we need to win. OK. Tell me how. > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No, I don't have great benefits, The point you are remembering, I > had > > gotten out of the army and didn't have any benefits. > > > > He said taking away soldiers benefits, I wasn't a soldier. The VA > sucks, > > but it's a different topic. > > > > I'm sorry for harsh language but I am sick and tired of wuss > Americans > > wanting to throw in the towel. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:24 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Today's Patraeus: Wow. > > > > > > You have great benefits? > > > > > > I seem to remember some dark days where you were not all that > enthused > > > with the treatment you had available and were getting. > > > > > > Am I misremembering that? Or are you? > > > > > > Pretty harsh language, there, too. > > > > > > > > > On 9/13/07, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In the 8 years I was enlisted my benefits only got better, never > > > worse. > > > > Maybe not as good as we wanted but they increased. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72&catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:242352 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
