>I'm talking system of governance, not motivation. > >That why I like to resist using the traditional left right scale. Fascism >and Socialism and Communism, in execution, are much alike, even though their >motivations may be very different. > >Look at the Christian Socialist parties of Europe vs. the Socialist party in >say Cuba or under Chaves.
The classical socialist systems of western Europe are very different from the dictatorial oligarchy of Cuba or Chaves. While Cuba uses a planned economy system, both Cuba and Chaves' Venezuela are more like classic dictatorships that control both the economy and the political life of their citizens. Then again Socialism is a very slippery concept. To Americans who have been thoroughly propagandized about the evils of socialism, it means something very different than someone in Canada or Germany. For instance in the province of Manitoba in Canada, there are a number of industries that are either government owned (i.e., electricity and auto insurance for example) or the government are significant minority owners of company stock. That by definition is socialism - government ownership of significant portions of the means of economic production. However in the US any minimal government involvement in any industry is socialism. Something very different from the real definitions of socialism. > >I don't care what their motivation is, they all basically want the same >thing in the end, hell you can lump a lot of the neocons in there too. A >bigger more intrusive government. More intrusion in foreign affairs. Less >rights for the individual. > >I'm surprised at you man. Personally I've never liked the left vs right dichotomy, its always been far to restrictive. Rather looking at government intrusion in the private life of individuals and in the economy seem to be a better definition. Thus classic socialism can be considered to be moderate to high involvement in the economy and minimal involvement in the private life of the individual. In contrast facism is the opposite, minimal intrusion in the economy (although that doesn't really fit Mussolini's corporate fascism) and maximum intrusion in the life of the individual. Bolshevistic Communism had maximal intrusion in both the economic and private life, while Nazism had maximal intrusion on the private life and less control over the economy. Neocons tend towards Mussolini's corporate fascism - minimal regulation of the economy and maximal regulation of the individual, while the Democratic Party tends towards some intrusion in the economy and some intrusion in the private life of the individual. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:244005 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
