I don't think it can be done.

On Oct 29, 2007 8:58 AM, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So you're saying that if definitions were applied to these metrics, you
> would be fine with it? I don't buy it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>
>
> > Matt
> >
> > No because "race" is not a single trait. It covers skin tone,
> > eyecolor, eye shape, hair texture and probably more. Intelligence is
> > also probably not a single trait, even if we limit ourselves to the
> > type of intelligence that is measured on IQ tests.
> >
> > that said, I feel like I am starting to repeat myself and I probably
> > won't have time to debate this any more now that we are into the work
> > week. I'll probably read eventually though if anyone else cares to get
> > into this.
> >
> > On 10/29/07, Chesty Puller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Wait a second...
> >>
> >> I'm saying it's true or it ain't.  But with the number of evolution
> >> arguments I've seen on this list (in regards to ID), I just don't see how
> >> a
> >> person could believe in evolution and then turn around and discredit the
> >> notion that subspecies might be able to be classified by intelligence.
> >> It's
> >> done with dogs and cats, why not humans? African-Americans get
> >> sickle-cell
> >> anemia more than other groups, due to biological differences. You're
> >> saying
> >> that the same can't be done with intelligence? According to evolutionary
> >> theory, we are all just animals with different abilities, strengths and
> >> weaknesses. Calling this notion racism is in fact political correctness
> >> run
> >> amok.
> >>
> >> - Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Judah McAuley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:56 AM
> >> Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Gruss Gott wrote:
> >> >> Nevertheless, you make many good points, however none of them explain
> >> >> why it is not possible that intelligence is correlated with skin
> >> >> color, which was Dr. Watson point.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm just saying it's possible.  That's all.  To call it racist seems
> >> >> to reject logic in favor of political correctness.
> >> >
> >> > I don't think that anyone has categorically rejected the idea that it
> >> > is
> >> >  possible that there is some factor that could link in some fashion
> >> > skin tone and some measure of intelligence.
> >> >
> >> > But you are asking us to try and prove a negative. Why should I prove
> >> > that intelligence couldn't be correlated with skin tone? The null
> >> > hypothesis is that there would be no difference between "races" in
> >> > intelligence measures. You've provided no good reason to believe that
> >> > the null hypothesis is not true. We call it racist because the primary
> >> > reason that people want to believe the null hypothesis is not true
> >> > without a decent theory and evidence is because they are racists.
> >> >
> >> > Why would increased intelligence not be selected for in any culture?
> >> > What mechanisms would limit the development in certain cultures? What
> >> > genetic components of intelligence would be linked to skin tone?
> >> >
> >> > I'm willing to believe that there may exist some answers to these
> >> > questions and some of them may indicate something like a higher
> >> > frequency of a mutation in a gene that helps out with, say, spatial
> >> > recognition within a group that historically represents an
> >> > interbreeding
> >> > population.
> >> >
> >> > As far as I am aware though, there is not any research that currently
> >> > shows anything of the sort. And even that result would be far short of
> >> > anything you could link to a broader measure of "intelligence" which
> >> > encompasses many aspects that you'd be hard pressed to link to any
> >> > small
> >> > concrete set of genetic markers.
> >> >
> >> > You claim political correctness run amok because people don't want to
> >> > admit the possibility of a link between race and intelligence. But you
> >> > don't have a good definition of race or intelligence (at the genetic
> >> > level) nor do you offer any plausible reason why there *should* be a
> >> > difference. And hypothesizing, as Dr Watson does, that one racial group
> >> > has less native intelligence than another without any evidence other
> >> > than personal prejudice is, in fact, racism.
> >> >
> >> > Judah
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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