Charlie, Of course we're friends! Why wouldn't we be?
But it sounds like you're saying that if I posit that ColdFusion is doing anything other than great gangbusters, I will actually lose friends. Don't friends respect each other's points of view -- and even encourage them to speak their minds? It wasn't a snide remark; it was an observation. Did I really have to handle everyone on this list with kid gloves? Before someone changed the Adobe site to include ColdFusion in the spotlighted products on the home page, it was not to be found on any click path through the featured products. ColdFusion was literally an afterthought to whomever handled the planning of the home page. It sounds like many people on this list and others are in serious denial about many facets regarding ColdFusion, such as the trending of its market share, its fiscal importance to Adobe shareholders vis-à-vis upper management, and its place on the Adobe Product Line Totem Pole of Importance. There are a few reasons why Adobe won't publish figures on the breakdown of revenue and profit by product line, not the least of which is that doing so would provide their competition with strategic data that can be used to formulate attacks on key market spaces, and could call Adobe's hand with respect to future moves Adobe might make (product line composition, potential acquisitions, etc). But I'm betting -- as I have for a while now -- that the revenue versus expenses for ColdFusion is not just disappointing in current figures, but that new license (non-upgrade) sales also point to a less-than-satisfactory future. This is an opinion that is I'm sure very different from what people want to hear, but contrary opinions should always be seriously considered. Charlie, I firmly believe that there is no ColdFusion-related subject that should be off-limits on this list. I would say *especially* anything even remotely related to varied views of the future of ColdFusion. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The new Adobe.com What is this world coming to when there's a thread with Adam and Tony... and Tony's the one making sense? :) Seriously Adam, I gotta agree with T. You've still got a lot of friends in the ColdFusion world (I'd like to think I'm one of 'em), but sometimes it seems that you're really making a conscious and deliberate effort to just completely and utterly sever those ties. Obviously, you can think what you want about Adobe and ColdFusion. But when you post a snide remark on a list that's primarily comprised of Adobe ColdFusion developers... how do you think it's going to go? And no. I'm not trying to censor your freedom of speech. You can think/say what you want. But be aware that in response, so can we. If you *really* wanted to have the discussion that you're alluding to, there were about 15,363 more tactful ways to go about it (by my estimation). You're way beyond intelligent enough to see where what you posted isn't going to be taken as anything more than stirring up the tired old "OMG ColdFusion is dead/dying" discussion based on nothing of any particular merit. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the "What's New PDF" now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:247978 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
