I will include another of your comments in my response to your first. >>I'm using MY definition of what I think is acceptable treatment for an enemy combatant. One that has NO rights under the rules of land warfare and could be summarily executed at any time as a spy or a saboteur.
Just because you think it is 'acceptable treatment' does not mean the act itself is no longer torture. If you think it is acceptable to torture people for whatever reason, fine, just say that. Psychological torture is sometimes worse than physical. Not to be crude, but if someone were to dunk your head in a toilet until you almost, or did pass out, and you weren't sure whether each time would be your last on this earth, I think you would probably start to feel pretty tortured. It has to be a horrifying experience. Suffocation has to be one of the worst ways to die. I also find it interesting how the U.S. convicted a Japanese officer after WWII of war crimes for waterboarding and sentenced him to 15 years hard labor, but now it's AOK when it is useful for 'us'. I am still trying to find something I read about what actually happens during waterboarding. It was pretty disturbing. I am pretty sure it was even posted to this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ... > Do you have an actual argument or just a "feeling"? > > Todd wrote: >> I call bullshit on this. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Loathe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Obama] Client sent me this ... >> >> >>> Water boarding is not torture. >>> >>> Cutting off fingers, electrocution, burning, beating, kicking, these are >>> torture. >>> >>> Or to expand on the argument, while PHYSICAL torture is and should be >>> banned, psychological torture isn't and shouldn't be. >>> >>> I mean the cops can use a lot of methods that are construed as >>> psychological torture, but we'll prohibit our soldiers from doing so? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:254192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
