There is a program called netsaint that might be overkill for your
application, but it works very well and I don't believe a 486 would be a
problem.

Site is http://www.netsaint.org/.  Great stuff.

Josh

-----Original Message-----
From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:09 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: 486 PCs - Moral Question


Alright, everyone's point has been taken and I think I see the light.

There is value in the machine whether it be as an SMTP server or a doorstop.


As I have been honest about the transaction, I have no moral culpability in
selling these machines.

On another note: does anyone know of a decent automated network monitoring
tool that will run under Linux on a 486? I am looking for something that
will ping servers and hardware every so often to tell the admin if the
network is up or not.

I promised someone I would ask.

M


-----Original Message-----
From: Greenwood, Erin E. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: 486 PCs - Moral Question


I had 2 486/33s and a 486/66. I gave away the nicer of the 33s to old family
friends and they were thrilled because not only was it nicer than what they
had but it also came with a copy of WordPerfect (UGH!). So everyone was
happy. Now I just use the 486/66. Someday I hope to get a decent computer
but it is not at the top of the list right now.

In other words, sometimes anything is better than nothing.

: )

e

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Corrigan
To: CF-Community
Sent: 3/22/2002 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: 486 PCs - Moral Question

You shouldn't feel guilty for other people's shortcomings.  They're
adults and can make their own decisions.  If you mislead them then you
should feel guilty but it doesn't sound like that's what you're doing.
Give them the correct and complete information.  Answer any question
they have honestly and truthfully and them let them make their own
decision.


Michael Corrigan
Programmer
Endora Digital Solutions
1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200
Lombard, IL 60148
630-627-5055 ext.-136
630/627-5255 Fax
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Haggerty, Michael A.
  To: CF-Community
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:05 AM
  Subject: RE: 486 PCs - Moral Question


  I had the same mentality for a while, but now it feels like I am
exploiting
  other's weaknesses.

  Some people cannot help but purchase computers in the same way
alcoholics
  cannot help but drink. Feels like I am part of the problem...

  Grrr...
  M

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:54 AM
  To: CF-Community
  Subject: RE: 486 PCs - Moral Question


  Sell more.
  If someone wants to buy a doorstop, well then, sell them a doorstop.
  :)

  Erika
  ------------------------------------------------------------

  >>|-----Original Message-----
  >>|From: Haggerty, Michael A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  >>|Sent: 22 March 2002 16:52
  >>|To: CF-Community
  >>|Subject: 486 PCs - Moral Question
  >>|
  >>|
  >>|I have been working on a technology refresh at my daughter's
school, and
  >>|have come into possession of a lot of 486 computers. If I did
  >>|not take them,
  >>|they were headed for the dumpster.
  >>|
  >>|At first, I started putting slackware on the ones I took home,
  >>|and setting
  >>|them up to do some basic word processing / telnet. I thought I
  >>|could donate
  >>|them to needy families through my church.
  >>|
  >>|But then my bedroom became filled up with old monitors,
  >>|keyboards, etc., and
  >>|my dog began eating the mice cables. So I started asking around
  >>|and seeing
  >>|if anyone wanted the old 486s. I get them in increments, as new
  >>|technology
  >>|is brought into the school.
  >>|
  >>|One day, Sean, a friend of mine, says he will take one. Mark, the
guy who
  >>|sits next to him, say he'll take one too. This was the last one
  >>|I had, so,
  >>|jokingly, I say "Okay, I will give it to the highest bidder".
  >>|Mark says ten
  >>|dollars, Sean says twenty, and the price war ends at $30 with
  >>|Mark waiting
  >>|one week.
  >>|
  >>|Now I am being contacted by friends of friends. I am up to $40 a
machine,
  >>|$60 with monitor, and have already made $500 off the deal.
  >>|
  >>|I am donating the money right back to the church (I get the
  >>|computers from a
  >>|Catholic school) but I wonder: is it morally wrong to sell obsolete
  >>|technology, even to those who believe they need it? I am convinced
the
  >>|'need' is imagined and that these machines are not going to do much
for
  >>|anyone. I tell my 'clients' that, but they respond by asking if
they can
  >>|pick it up themselves.
  >>|
  >>|M
  >>|
  >>|
  >>|
  >>|
  >>|





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