I'm not sure what exactly history shows... history is an interesting
beast, for sure!
We like to think certain ways about certain stuff, which is at odds
with Truth (and Truth is itself quite a concept!).
It sounded like people with machine guns is why he left, but can he be trusted?
I'm pretty sure this is the book with the "questionable" town
massacre. There's a second too, but I never read it.
It painted a "not all roses" picture of Zionism, which was quite
interesting (I like learning stuff, even the "not nice" stuff, like
maybe Columbus wasn't some saint, or that Lincoln was human--
Carnegie: Good or Evil? etc.).
I liked it, seemed to have a message of peace, of "we've gotten along
before, we can do it again" type stuff.
I think that if you are 100% behind Israel, you probably won't like
the book, peaceful or not.
I had some friends become "Neo-Israelites", and it was a saddening
thing to watch. Of course part of my problem is separating the
religious aspects from the humanitarian(?) ones. (I don't even know
if that had to do with Jewishness... 144,000 people? What? Trace the
mother's blood back to Abraham or something? :-/ What I saw was just
a slow racism-type deal creeping into otherwise smart people.
Obviously some twisted form of religion, but now I can't even recall
what it was, "really"-- something abut Israel tho. Maybe Islam? Bah!
:])
How do you fit in? Is the Israel thing about a place to be free, or
about a religious deal?
Like, would it be O.K. with you, if there is an Israel, but in a
different geo-location? Or does it have to be "there" (tied to the
bible, etc.)?
I don't have strong feelings one way or the other, but I /know/ it
ain't a one-sided deal, with "either" side. *shrug*
Hope this isn't offensive- my questioning and whatnot- I've asked you
stuff before, as I'm curious, and you have strong feelings, but I
don't mean to be insulting by asking (or by talking how I talk, so to
speak). Eh.
Interesting stuff...
FWIW, I lump the Saudi situation in with Israel.
Personally, I don't think we should be "helping" either one.
We've got enough problems looking out for ourselves, and meanwhile,
the Sudan keeps on melting, and the Congo is still a pretty whacked
out place.
Eh. The exciting issues get all the talk, the "boring stuff" falls by
the wayside. Just life, I guess.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not yet. It sounds like an interesting read but there's a base question to
> ask - was he 'expelled' or did he head his Arab brothers and flee Israel
> with the understanding that he'll come back after it has been destroyed.
> History shows that this was the reason many (most?) fled Israel was due to
> this rather than being forced out. There are too many Arabs living in Israel
> to say that it was a 'cleansing' of any sort. There is a book about a
> massacre of a town but the historical accuracy of it is in grave doubt.
>
> The bottom line problem with Israel is that we hold them to a totally
> different standard than anyone else. Tibet comes directly to mind but there
> are so many other examples.
>
> And our involvement with Saudi Arabia has been less problematic to America?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:52 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hey Michael, have you read "Blood Brothers"?
> >
> > http://www.amazon.com/Blood-Brothers-Elias-Chacour/dp/0800790960
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure what the REAL deal is, but our involvement with Israel
> > has been problematic.
> >
> > Eh. Very charged issue for some folks, regardless.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Michael Dinowitz
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The litmus test is who he pulls in to handle foreign and middle east
> > > affairs. The team he has is not clearly or strongly committed to
> > Israel.
> > > Quite the opposite.
> > > As for the times, their editorial bias is anti-Israel and their "some
> > > critics" is avoiding the issue which is not his words but his choices
> > of
> > > subordinates. A president does not do it all alone, he has a team.
> > >
> > > The basis of this thread was just that - what team did Reagan have and
> > did
> > > it pull the country together? I don't think Obama, no matter how
> > powerful he
> > > speaks or what good intentions he may have, has a team that does that.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Dino wrote:
> > > > > Point is, the guy's not a friendly, lets get the country together
> > type
> > > > of
> > > > > guy. And this is who Obama turns to for spiritual guidance.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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