>Which is certainly what Bush did.  He used Iraq as ground zero for his
>Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.

You call this a failure?

U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda
Group Is Facing Setbacks Globally, CIA Chief Says

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 30, 2008; A01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/29/AR2008052904116_pf.html

>Further the concept of "fight 'em over there" assumes that AQ just
>wants to kill Americans.  Reasonable people can disagree, but I don't
>think that's the case.
>
>The fact that it's taken us 5 years to defeat a force that we
>ourselves allowed to come into the country, i.e. clean up our own
>mess, is not a good harbinger.

Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we were. They were all over the Middle East 
embedded in many countries. Lucky for us when we took out one terrorist 
supporting tyrant, al Qaeda wannabes came to his aid. Now they're weak and the 
Muslim world is turning against radical Islam. That was the goal. So where is 
the failure?


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