No, the driver doesn't necessarily need to know how the brakes work,  
although, I think it helps.

But the designer of the car better damn sure know how they work.

I don't care if he uses "tools" or not, but I really don't think  
someone can call themselves an expert in anything if you use "tools",  
aka "wizards" as your sole interface.



On Jun 17, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Captian Oblivious wrote:

> You guys act like there's something wrong with being crazy, which I  
> find
> crazy.
>
> Take a look around... you call this sanity?
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously tho, it's all levels of logic.  How far down off the giant's
> shoulder do you go?
>
> The answer:  it varies!  However much you need.
>
> You'd have to apply the stuff to real world situations to get any  
> kind of
> meaning out of it.
>
> ***
> I'm still a little green: perhaps this is a person we as a group are
> supposed to shun?  Looks like he does some CF, so maybe there's more  
> going
> on here than a newbie would get?
> ***
>
> Should the driver know how his brakes work, or just that they work?   
> Guess
> it depends on the quality of driver, or if the driver has a good  
> mechanic
> (and money), etc..
>
> I like knowing at least rudimentary details about everything I can,  
> but I'm
> naturally curious.  Or maybe I was learned it.  Can critical thinking
> *really* be taught?
>
> Several times I've know more than the doctor, or the mechanic, so,  
> you have
> to pick your people well.  And that's what it boils down to.  The  
> right tool
> for the job (duh) :-).
>
> Sometimes it's a GUI-guru, sometimes it's a command-line commando.   
> Denster
> apparently only needs a monkey.  :-)
>
> There is always the risk that you choose the wrong tool, too, as any  
> good
> mechanic will tell you.
>
> Sometimes it requires in-depth knowledge, sometimes just a skim.
>
> At times it's just fun, and proper, to make fun.  The *really* crazy  
> thing,
> is sanity.
>
> :-)
>
> Whatever flics your bic, right?
>
> -- 
> The most common guideline, called the *McQuary* limit, is a size of  
> no more
> than four lines of *less than* eighty columns each. This keeps the  
> overall
> size
> of the message down, conserving
> bandwidth<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth>as well as the time
> required
> to read the message, and ensures that eighty-column
> terminals<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_terminal>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Crow T. Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> Yea, his silly analogies are not even close to what they should  
>> be.  You
>> don't compare the inner working of an automobile engine with the  
>> driver,
>> that would be like saying that the average web user should be able  
>> to read
>> and understand every line of source code on any site they visit.
>>
>> Try using better analogies.  I would expect that the engineer who  
>> built
>> that
>> engine knows how it works from the inside out.  That is a better  
>> analogy.
>>
>> In the end though, he's crazy and I am not surprised that he cannot  
>> find
>> someone who will hire him.  A simple search of Google would sway me  
>> if I
>> were a hiring manager, or even just a monkey who could type.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>>>> wow.  I was gonna comment, especially since he declares that he's  
>>>> got
>>>> "oodles of experience with sql server"......not sure how you'd  
>>>> qualify
>>>> for that statement when you don't know the whole join thing.
>>> I thought about commenting as well, but couldn't bring my self to  
>>> the
>>> effort.  If one boils down his rant, there may be a, possibly
>>> unintentional, truth.  There is a certain level of expertise that  
>>> can
>>> get by 'Just Using The Tools'.  But somebody needs to a) make the  
>>> tools;
>>> b) understand - at least fundamentally - what the tools do; and|or  
>>> c) be
>>> able to fix, alter, correct what the tools did when one's needs  
>>> out pace
>>> the capability of the tools.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but I sure as hell hope my doctor knows more then what his
>>> "Tools" tell him on how bodies work in general and, even more
>>> importantly, have a damn good idea what is going on within mine.   
>>> That
>>> is why I am paying such a person a good deal of money.
>>>
>>> Same with my automotive mechanic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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