my point would be that it is NOT better and may well be worse.

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Unless you were a cute young woman and happened to get pulled off the
> street, raped and murdered by Uday. Or unless you were a Kurd and you
> got gassed for protesting government action against your village. Or
> unless you were a Shiite and you  got butchered like cattle for any
> convenient reason...
>
> Iraq was a horrible place before we ever got involved.
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:01 PM, Dana  wrote:
>> Based on the ability to walk down the street unhindered -- my own
>> personal test of the safety of a place -- we have made the life of the
>> average Iraqi somewhat worse. We may well be on the way to restoring
>> order, but order was never the issue before we arrived, dude.
>
> 

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