On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > I agree, torture is not OK. Am I sorry they did it to KSM? Nope. The > guy hates us, hates everything about us, he wants to destroy our > entire civilization. Fairness and justice are great ideals, just be > clear that Al Qaeda does not believe in fairness, and their sense of > justice is killing everyone who disagrees with them. This is not > garden variety criminality, or even garden-variety evil. Al Qaeda > would kill billions of people in order to rule the world. Do you > believe that? I have no doubt. If they had the capability today, we > would already be dead. Do I think that an existential threat to our > civilization merits a "special circumstances" exception? Absolutely.
An existential threat? Dude, you have gone Stockholm. Are you telling me that people bent on killing other people (even great numbers of other people) is somehow new? I cannot say how sad I am to see you buying into this "the world is more dangerous now than it was yesterday" propaganda. As many great people (far more eloquent than I) have said, it's nothing but a tool that is used to usurp individual liberties. Existential threat... I love that... if you hadn't already used 9/11 as an excuse, I'd say I'd expect something about that, next. Are you also in the camp that thinks "they" want "us" dead because of how awesome we are? What did you think when Ron Paul said what he did about blowback during those first republican debates? Were you affronted, like Giuliani was? "How dare he"? Do you *really* think the world works the way you claim to think it does? Whatever the case, you've admitted to feeling that emotion trumps justice and fairness, which, well-- is a Bad Thing(tm). -- There is no love that is not an echo. Theodor Adorno ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:270251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
