Good advice below. I don't even bother to propose a project that doesn't have revenue attached, and will produce a healthy ROI. If it won't produce revenue, at this point at least, we aren't doing it.
Also, there's a lot more kudos for producing apps that make money (see my post about getting a Palm Pilot from one of the executives). If you're interviewing for a job, I would come in with specific ideas about how to make money for the company, if at all possible or relevant. I think being able to understand revenue and cost control are assets for programmers these days. H. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: When will CF Jobs be on the Rise? or ? I think your question can be reduced to a simpler one: When will Jobs be on the Rise? I think that might happen when companies start coming out of their bunker mentality, and start believing that they need to RUN a business, and not COAST a business. Which is starting to happen now. But to your underlying question of why MS is gaining marketshare and CF is losing marketshare, as measured by job postings on major job websites, I think I know the reason. I will change when progammers learn better to couch programming/IT projects in business terms. Most programming projects should save money for a company, or increase revenue for a comany (or in some cases increase the brand), but programmers talk in terms of "cutting edge", latest technologies, etc. Programmers should be talking in terms of ROI or other measures of business success. In my opinion, the main reason there has been less success in expansion of CF jobs in relation to VB/MS jobs is the failure of the CF community to talk in terms that a business owner/manager can understand. MS has learned that lesson, and is throwing around the business buzzwords in all their marketing material (including their brilliant marketing pieces published as "magazines" by the likes of Ziff-Davis, et al.). This is where the business managers, HR folk, IT managers and marketing managers are getting their information. The truth is, most managers don't care what you write in. They care about initial costs for technology deployment. More so if they already have invested that money. They care about having to pay for recoding when changing from one development environment to another. Monthly hosting costs. The base salary of a developer. How long a developer stays around once trained. Length of time for a project to move from "go" to it being live. How well the different systems can be integrated. These kinds of things. Really, they just care that you make them look good at THEIR review time, and that you don't get them fired. And as the saying goes, no one ever got fired for buying Microsoft. After I discharge my mammoth kharmic debt to jedimaster (this weekend), I'll see if I can write some of this up in usable form, rather than these ramblings. But my main point was the job market is turning around, but we in this community can do a lot to speed it along. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/02 09:17AM >>> When will CF Jobs be on the Rise? or should we start learning JSP or VB or C++ or what else? Should we give up and learn .NET? (Yikes) What is everyones Thoughts? ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
