My goal is to have a househusband when kids enter the picture. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods
> It starts getting different when kids enter the picture. When we got married, we were both working. When Judith gave birth she tried to work and be a mother at the same time and decided to do the latter. I made sure I got a good job with benefits (and a 3 hour commute) to make sure we were covered. Even now, Judith is an at home mom where she also does her editing and other work. > Basically, my salary pays for her to work on FA and other projects. :) > If she wanted to go out to work and have me at home I'd have no problem. Of course, I kind of make more due to who I am but that's besides the point. If I had a steady stream of income I'd be home writing articles, recording lessons, writing code, and taking care of the kids with no problem at all. Anyone here want to finance me for a year and get credit for all I produce? I'll have a dozen "complete" papers out with no problem. :) > (Complete CFSCRIPT still has to be edited, complete comparison (CFIF, etc) is in pieces, complete iteration (loops) is as well and there are bits and pieces of a half dozen more.) > > At 12:07 PM 4/5/02, you wrote: > >H, as long as its her CHOICE to be the domestic one, I have no problem with > >it. When its the man's choice it pisses me off. I know some really > >independent, professional women who are very domestic at home - its weird to > >me (and in the case I am thinking of even weird to her) but if thats what > >you like to do, go for it. > > > >I love to cook and I cook well believe it or not, I just know its not my job > >(as a woman) to cook for Mike. That being said I often cook but he cleans > >the kitchen and does the dishes. Or we eat out (we are dual income no kids, > >why not?). If he cooked I would be starving all the time.....he cooks > >pretty badly. > > > >I do not however do as much cleaning as he does. I feel somewhat guilty > >about that but he cares if its clean and I dont'. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Howard Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:02 AM > >Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > >> I was a bachelor until I was 31, so I know how to cook and clean and sew, > >> etc. I don't mind cooking a couple of meals a week (usually on the > >> weekends). I enjoy it. But I'm thankful I have a wife who likes (most of > >> the time) taking care of the house. I feel especially fortunate that I > >> married a woman who cooks as well as my mom. So many of my friends have > >> wives who can't cook at all, and they can't cook -- so they eat out a lot, > >> or fast food, or frozen meals (though we've been eating a lot more frozen > >> meals because during the week I'm so busy and my wife doesn't cook on days > >> she has to work (part-time)). > >> > >> H. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:09 AM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > >> > >> In Samoan culture, women are not allowed in the kitchen. It's is the > >man's > >> domain. He is responsible for gathering and preparing of foods. > >> > >> I agree wholeheartedly with you Michael. I have a 16 month old and want > >to > >> create the same environment for him as well. My wife and I do our best to > >> create a warm, loving, and safe place for him. He is allowed to push the > >> boundaries but we are there to prevent him from doing things that will > >hurt > >> him. He will learn things that will allow him to be self sufficient when > >he > >> is older and that includes all of the things that some may consider > >feminine > >> roles (I.e. cooking, sewing, etc.). My grandmother always told me that a > >> man that can't take care of himself is no man and I agree. Whenever I > >think > >> about how to raise kids, I remember something Mel Gibson (surprisingly) > >once > >> said that the parents role as disciplinarian should be done in such a > >manner > >> that it breaks their will but not their > >> spirit. I thought that was profound, especially coming from Mad Max! > >> > >> Michael Corrigan > >> Programmer > >> Endora Digital Solutions > >> 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > >> Lombard, IL 60148 > >> 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > >> 630/627-5255 Fax > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Michael Dinowitz > >> To: CF-Community > >> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:21 PM > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > >> > >> As my son does fight with my daughter to give me a book or do something > >> for me, I'd say yes, he would. Actually, my son is the sensitive one while > >> my daughter is the daredevil. My job as a parent is to give them the > >freedom > >> to learn and grown and not force them into any specific role. Personally, > >I > >> think I do a good job with it. > >> As a side note, I know how to sew and can also cook rather well. My wife > >> learned to cook after we got married. And both of the older children (the > >> youngest is to small) enjoy helping me and/or Judith when we cook. > >> Personally, I see cooking as a masculine job. It's a knife and fire used > >to > >> build something. :) > >> > >> > >> > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: - Would your son > >> serve > >> > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before you say grace > >because > >> he > >> > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps your children have > >> been > >> > raised with different roles based on gender. I am not going to say > >its > >> > wrong for men and women to play different roles - its all about > >personal > >> > choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids without > >> those > >> > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter will be expected to > >> do > >> > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged to do sports and > >> boys > >> > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will learn to sew on > >> buttons > >> > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to take more > >> traditional > >> > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like them to be able to > >> make > >> > that choice and not have it decided by me. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM > >> > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > > >> > > >> > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major things held against > >> Orthodox > >> > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. > >> > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my daughter did. I was > >in > >> a > >> > small fight on a different list with a militant feminist who took > >> anything I > >> > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking how she'd react to > >my > >> > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash my hands before we > >> said > >> > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be helpful and because she > >> loves > >> > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me subjugating my > >daughter > >> or > >> > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter is subservient to > >no > >> one > >> > and is more willful than I am). > >> > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and all my kids. :) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation! > >> > > > -Ben > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, its a difference > >> > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a day. Women don't. > >> > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have to. I can go on > >> > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is moot. A woman > >> > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the > >> obligation. > >> > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count either as he's > >> > > > > not bound by obligation either. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count > >> > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > -Ben > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me people here to > >correct > >> > > > > > > me) that jews > >> > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". > >> > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to > >tell.....I > >> > > > > > > am sure I will > >> > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > >> > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > >> > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > >> > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews and Christians" > >> > > > > > > Muslims don't need > >> > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's > >> > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of worship. I can't speak > >> > > > > > > for Jews, but > >> > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the only place you > >can > >> > > > > > > pray is in a > >> > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a physical church > >> > > > > represents the > >> > > > > > > religion > >> > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ is where ever there > >> > > > > > > are believers. > >> > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education facilities > >> > > > > > > and community > >> > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way since early in the > >> > > > > > > church history. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to church"? I don't > >> > > > > > > know. I didn't > >> > > > > > > > catch that part. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without really paying as > >close > >> > > > > > > attention to > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would like, that they > >were > >> > > > > > > > mischaracterizing > >> > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > H. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
