I was a bachelor until I was 31, so I know how to cook and clean and sew, etc. I don't mind cooking a couple of meals a week (usually on the weekends). I enjoy it. But I'm thankful I have a wife who likes (most of the time) taking care of the house. I feel especially fortunate that I married a woman who cooks as well as my mom. So many of my friends have wives who can't cook at all, and they can't cook -- so they eat out a lot, or fast food, or frozen meals (though we've been eating a lot more frozen meals because during the week I'm so busy and my wife doesn't cook on days she has to work (part-time)).
H. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:09 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods In Samoan culture, women are not allowed in the kitchen. It's is the man's domain. He is responsible for gathering and preparing of foods. I agree wholeheartedly with you Michael. I have a 16 month old and want to create the same environment for him as well. My wife and I do our best to create a warm, loving, and safe place for him. He is allowed to push the boundaries but we are there to prevent him from doing things that will hurt him. He will learn things that will allow him to be self sufficient when he is older and that includes all of the things that some may consider feminine roles (I.e. cooking, sewing, etc.). My grandmother always told me that a man that can't take care of himself is no man and I agree. Whenever I think about how to raise kids, I remember something Mel Gibson (surprisingly) once said that the parents role as disciplinarian should be done in such a manner that it breaks their will but not their spirit. I thought that was profound, especially coming from Mad Max! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630-627-5055 ext.-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Dinowitz To: CF-Community Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods As my son does fight with my daughter to give me a book or do something for me, I'd say yes, he would. Actually, my son is the sensitive one while my daughter is the daredevil. My job as a parent is to give them the freedom to learn and grown and not force them into any specific role. Personally, I think I do a good job with it. As a side note, I know how to sew and can also cook rather well. My wife learned to cook after we got married. And both of the older children (the youngest is to small) enjoy helping me and/or Judith when we cook. Personally, I see cooking as a masculine job. It's a knife and fire used to build something. :) > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: - Would your son serve > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before you say grace because he > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps your children have been > raised with different roles based on gender. I am not going to say its > wrong for men and women to play different roles - its all about personal > choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids without those > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter will be expected to do > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged to do sports and boys > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will learn to sew on buttons > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to take more traditional > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like them to be able to make > that choice and not have it decided by me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major things held against Orthodox > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my daughter did. I was in a > small fight on a different list with a militant feminist who took anything I > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking how she'd react to my > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash my hands before we said > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be helpful and because she loves > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me subjugating my daughter or > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter is subservient to no one > and is more willful than I am). > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and all my kids. :) > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation! > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, its a difference > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a day. Women don't. > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have to. I can go on > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is moot. A woman > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the obligation. > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count either as he's > > > > not bound by obligation either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > > > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me people here to correct > > > > > > me) that jews > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to tell.....I > > > > > > am sure I will > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews and Christians" > > > > > > Muslims don't need > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of worship. I can't speak > > > > > > for Jews, but > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the only place you can > > > > > > pray is in a > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a physical church > > > > represents the > > > > > > religion > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ is where ever there > > > > > > are believers. > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education facilities > > > > > > and community > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way since early in the > > > > > > church history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to church"? I don't > > > > > > know. I didn't > > > > > > > catch that part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without really paying as close > > > > > > attention to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would like, that they were > > > > > > > mischaracterizing > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
