On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And the difference between striking and invading is? They're synonymous.

I thought it was rather clear and obvious. You invade a country when
you mean to conquer/subjugate/regime change it. We invaded Iraq, we
meant to overthrow the government. You are going after elements of
that country, particularly its government or forces associated/allied
with it.

In this case the discussion is about an offensive against groups that
are not associated with the Pakistan government (we hope) and there is
no goal or plan to depose the government or take control of any
portion of their land. It is a strike within the territory of
Pakistan, but not aimed at Pakistani interests. That is a clear and
obvious difference.

Still a serious situation. We'd be far better off working with the
government of Pakistan to coordinate efforts in that area. Which is
what Obama said he would do. The issue was whether Obama would violate
the territorial integrity of Pakistan if he knew where Bin Laden was
and Pakistan was unwilling or unable to help/authorize the strike.

> And yes, there's an IF there but he did say it. Threaten it even.

He said he would do it if that was the only choice to get Bin Laden.
Its a tough call for me, honestly. I'm generally on the pacifistic
side of things and I worry about inflaming anti-western ideology in
Pakistan considering all that is in play in that region. None the
less, we are talking about a man that pretty much tops the worlds most
wanted list and who presumably was behind one of the largest assaults
on the US in history. So everything taken together, I think you
probably have to roll the dice and go after him, even if it means
upsetting an ally who has very complicated dealings at home. By no
means an easy decision though.

Judah

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