On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But what's happened under Pres Bush is the possible downgrade of the
> US as a superpower.
>

We weren't talking about that....we were talking about the increased level
of lunacy surrounding politics since W came on the scene.

>
> Which brings me to the question at hand: what do you want out of this
> election?


What I want out of this election is a slam-dunk certainty: No more George W.
Bush.

I don't just want to survive.  I want to thrive.  This country has
> spent 8 years dying on the vine and I don't want to barely limp
> through another 4 or 8.  In short, people are sick of barely surviving
> while their institutions die around them.


I think either candidate would be a step in this direction, in all honesty.


> McCain represents old baby-boomer 20th century thinking and politics.
> He's yesterday.  He's decline.  He can't even lead his campaign right
> now.


I disagree. Yes, he's not quite as young and combative as he was the first
two times he ran for prez, but McCain has NEVER been viewed as "the
establishment", until he suddenly got the republican nomination. Now,
suddenly, he IS the establishment??? I don't buy it, even if he is employing
some of the standard republican tactics for campaigning (appealing to the
base, etc.)


> It's time to elect someone who can remove all of those people: The
> clintons, the bushs, et al


I'm with you on that point....I just don't think McCain is in the same
ballpark as Clinton or Bush.

Someone outside enough to do it and inside enough to know how.  That's
> Obama.


Heh, i'm an Obama fan too...but I'm not quite as enthusiastically naive as
this statement seems to be.

Will he be able to do it?  I don't know. But he's got the best chance.


Ah, Ok, i'm with you there.....

-- 
No matter how close to yours
Another's steps have grown,
In the end there is one dance you'll do alone


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