based on the last few years it seems to me that a "capitalist" is
someone who wants huge taxpayer subsidies without paying any taxes.
That is what gets me about the guys running around complaining about
the minimum wage and the earned income credit -- they are almost
always willing to underwrite Haliburton and Blackwater and Exxon.

Yeah we are broke. The Treasury has essentially been looted the last
few years, with more to come. It isn't just that the drug subsidy
"isn't enough" -- it wasn't anything. Except a giveaway for drug
companies. So the problems it allegedly fixes are still here. That is
why people propose additional spending.



On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:56 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  > Why does the idea of hard working people who earn in the lower level
>>>  > of the income spectrum being allowed to keep more of their money bug
>>>  > you so much?
>>>
>>> Fair question. I would like people in the bottom of the income bracket to
>>>  keep their money. I just don't want to give them mine. :-)
>>
>> so again... why does this idea bother you so much. You waste a lot of
>> energy posting about this, you know.
>
> Here, Dana, you have identified one of the "core" differences between
> a capitalist and a socialist.
>
> As a capitalist, I say this: "If I am going to share my income with
> someone, I want to do it at my pace, with my time and to the
> individuals or organizations that I select.  I don't want my
> hard-earned dollars going to something that does not help people
> improve their own condition on their own skills.  I also don't want my
> money going to pay for any group who's operating expenses are more
> than 1/2 of the total budget!"
>
> That's not to say that I'm not for helping people... but I am against
> the Government forcing money from me and sending it to people and
> groups that I think need better programs.
>
> A socialist would say something along these lines: "I have the
> time/energy/understanding/intestinal fortitude (pick one or more or
> add your own) to help others but I want to see something done.  The
> government is a good organization that can properly distribute what I
> pay in taxes to others."   (I almost wanted to add, "they don't make
> mistakes with money!" but decided not to.)
>
> The concept of lowering taxes on the poor is a red herring... since I
> have started working where I do (a payroll company), I can say without
> question that there is a large percentage of employees that will get
> EVERYTHING they "paid in" over the year back.  Obama's "redistribution
> of wealth" plan says that they are going to actually get more back
> from the IRS than they paid in.  Why is this a problem?  See my
> statement above... especially when you consider that just about darn
> near everyone on this list will end up realizing a lower income under
> the proposed plan.
>
> This is where we stand at a point of division.  Today's Democratic
> party, especially those led and portrayed by Obama, are socialists.
> They don't even try to hide that fact, and the promises that Obama has
> made are right in line with that agenda.  As a Conservative, I'm also
> an unapologetic capitalist.  Most Republicans (except for liberal
> Republicans) fall in that category as well.  From the looks of
> ratings, the American public is split 40/20/40 in a
> liberal/moderate/conservative split.
>
> Which means that it's going to be an interesting next few weeks!
>
> Until Later!
> Hatton
> http://www.eastcoastconservative.com
>
> 

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