On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Vivec wrote: .... > The majority of Americans believe that the United States was founded > on individualism and self reliance. Ergo no one should pay to help > anyone else because they can't cut it, they should just die.
Total BS man, that ergo is not the logical endpoint. If you can't help yourself, it's hard to help others-- while it seems "bad", the mother should save her own life before trying to save her child. They teach that in safety courses and whatnot, even. =] America was founded in the little people sticking together, while not forgetting the individual. Fighting for the rights of the individual, actually, even when that individual cannot fight for those rights. All kinds of good, idealistic crap. Or whatever, really-- saying X was Y or whatever is academic. I like to believe it was for good reasons, and we've become a super-power because of the good, not the bad. But I might be biased, as I love America, flaws and all. > America is the land of milk and honey and if you aren't rich and doing > well in America its because you are lazy or stupid, and either way you > should die and leave the Good Land to those that Deserve it. > I've spoken with other Americans that call themselves Patriots, that > know the US Constitution, that know a lot about the Civil War and they > think this way. I've spoken with a lot of Americans who do not think that way. And those that do, seem to think it to varying degrees. Perhaps some type of mix of the two extremes is where it's at. > It shocked me, but it is what it is.There are many people that think > like Robert.In my view those that think like you , Judah,are not a > voting majority.I think perhaps you need to ask yourself if they > aren't perfectly right. People like Judah may be in the majority, this time. See, unlike the Republican party, the rest are more diverse, and don't agree so much with their Party of choice. Makes organizing a bitch, comparatively. It's pretty plain to see that we're about 50-50, voting wise. I'd rather it were 80 (Judah-ish) and 20 (Robert-ish), but I guess it keeps things lively. This time I hope I hope it tilts toward the Judah side, tho. We would recover faster, I believe. But I don't know the future. > That may not be the America you would like to live in, but just look > at your unregulated Capitalist system which has failed and caused so > much suffering around the world. That capitalist system was built and > based on unmitigated Greed and Individualism. There were no ethics > built into the system, it was just make as much as you could any way > you can within the law, or the law's loopholes. To hell with everyone > else. Whatever. A *lot* of people have made a *lot* of money, and they weren't all Americans. It's already a global economy, much as some folks don't think what happens over there affects what happens over here, so to speak. We can adjust our system, and will, and are. We're sorta always adjusting, actually. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Sometimes more government, sometimes less. We're doing the best we can, man! =] > So again, it may not be the America you would like to live in,maybe it > might have been the way America was planned. The actual systems that > exist in America, though, tells me that people like Robert are right, > and people like you Judah may be more at home somewhere in Europe. "The System" is a living thing, maybe moreso than most places, even. We do have a lot of lawyers, neh? We (Americans) are made to change, that's what we do-- that's part of what separates us from the rest of the governments and whatnot. We can do it *wicked fast* when we need to, too. Sadly, we've been changing some shit we shouldn't be changing, but I'm still hopeful we'll realize why we did what we did in the first place. There are good reasons *NOT* to: *torture *keep CIA and FBI sorta separate *spy on your own citizens *cut taxes and increase spending *live on credit *etc., which we already covered, but seem to have forgotten. * * * Moving away might not do much in the long run. Remember, here *is* there, sorta, and vice-versa. LOL. Damn, I better quit before I get into quantum physics and whatnot. :-)p -- spooky action at a distance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:275069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
