Sam wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Scott Stewart <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> How do you justify empirical statements like that? >> >> 1) Solar power is proven technology, it does work. An individual can >> take a house almost entirely off the electrical grid with current >> technology. >> Panels are getting exponentially cheaper as newer thin panels come out >> on the market. Solar used to be cost prohibitive it won't be much longer. >> > > Won't be but still is. Once they get Coldfusion working it wont be needed. > Uhm... you're kidding right? Cold Fusion (the holy grail of energy production) isn't anywhere near viable, it hasn't been reliably created in a lab setting on a small scale. At best it's speculation..and centuries away.
Right now, I can install solar panels on my roof, get a substantial portion paid for by the gov't and finance the rest with a home equity loan, I'll reduce my dependency on the local power company by about 80% I could pick up the rest with a turbine, noise!= uselessness > >> Thin panel installation: >> http://cleantechnica.com/2008/05/24/a-thin-film-solar-panel-installation/ >> >> 2) Wind power works, an individual can supplement solar power cheaply >> with a roof mounted wind turbine and take a home completely off the grid >> >> Wind turbine primer: >> http://howto.altenergystore.com/Small-Wind-Turbines-Primer/a28/ >> > > Absolutely useless, you want to listen to the hum? > They don't tend to spin when you need them the most, during the hot days. > > >> 3) electric cars, again they work with performance comparable with gas >> powered vehicles >> > > You'll have to force people to buy them. > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article5282698.ece > I don't think so, your quoted article refers to two almost completely unknown companies, the results could be attributed to lack of marketing or production of a unappealing product. Every major car company is introducing "plugin" hybrids next year, the next step is full electric. > >> GoKarts: http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/workshop/4264026.html >> Electric X1 vs. Ferrari: >> http://news.cnet.com/Second-fastest-sports-car-runs-on-batteries/2100-11389_3-6119237.html >> Gas vs, Electric http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/2428857/ >> >> Prices on all of these technologies are coming down rapidly...with more >> emphasis being place on R&D by the government, what's not affordable now >> will be in a few years. >> > > So now the problem is solved? All these things work but Bush banned > them and now Obama will allow them? I'm saying we've had solar, wind > and electric for a long time and it's not so popular. You seem to > think suddenly it solves all our problems. > When did I say that the problem is solved? The problem won't be solved until we're no longer dependent on fossil fuels. But to dismiss current technologies based on what are at best insignificant reasoning (noise?) or fringe speculative science (Cold Fusion?) is foolish. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:283260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
