On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Sam wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, denstar wrote: > >> I don't know how you'd know if he reviewed them or not. I think the >> safe bet would be to say he has reviewed them, personally. > > Wow, you have the faith.
The guy just seems like he does his homework, ya know? I don't *know* of course, but I'd say it's the educated guess. >> Your idea of "safe" is a sad one, my friend. > > Sad? No US attacks for seven years is sad? Is that how you gauge safety? Then, yes, that is sad. I know I haven't felt very safe... sorta a deep fear, not the simple one of "oh no, I could die"... but one of "our core values, what's happening to them" (much worse than death). >> Do you also think we sometimes need to set our values aside? > > Our values change as we mature or as different situations arise. I > hope you reexamine yours from time to time. I'm not sure I've ever *finished* evaluating mine, honestly. There *are* /some/ concepts I reason through quite often, and come out with the same numbers, if you will. Oddly, many of those few are in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Which probably explains my "deep fear", LOL. > For eight years people complained about Bush making ideological > decisions, suddenly it's a bad thing? I'm not sure if I got this comment or not, but, if I did: I'm tired of the last 8 years, man. The polarization, the lack of communication, the (to put it lightly) lack of transparency. I see a dude working hard to make *us* a success (two days in?!?!), and so: WTF, basically. Some things are more important than our investment in our, I don't know, "frameworks". Obama has a lot of "credit" to spend, but instead of being all one sided (IMO) he's put his money where his mouth is, using teamwork and whatnot. Yay! A president who doesn't want to be the end all, be all. How refreshing. ??? Yes, lets hope his ideas fail, that would be so cool! ??? >> Failure is failure, dude. The goal is success, and your "side" fucked >> us over pretty bad, so, ya know, your thoughts on the matter are >> illogical. > > http://searchengineland.com/yahoo-obama-is-a-miserable-failure-16286 > > I don't agree that my side fucked up. You need to realize that people > have different ideas, until then you'll never understand anyone that > disagrees with you. I don't agree with you on many things, but I see > your points and understand how you arrived at them. I just think > you're not opening yourself up to other ideas. I actually think some > proffesor was so influential that you won't accept reasoning. I also > think my views are arrived at through logic and common sense, I know > you'll get a laugh at that :) I love to be open to ideas. The ideas that I hear Rush espousing, tho, for instance: come on, they're stale, and predicable. He uses opinion like it's fact. Who the fsck is he to judge other people? (Which is kinda funny, cuz, like, who the fsck am I to judge him, right? I'm not judging tho, just opinionating. He's free to be what he wants to be, and I'm like, way down for that, so... yeah. =]) >> http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012209/content/01125108.guest.html > > Thanks, I've been meaning to watch that, it was awesome. Brought a > tear to my eye. A lot of power is in perception. I'm not saying it's the end-all, be-all, but, how does that saying go? 90% attitude? With all his followers, just think what Rush could do to bring the country together! He could even be all smart, and bust an "SLC Punk" type deal, where he gets his ideas /in there/ instead of dashing them against the sides, as it were... >> Wasn't much better. What a douche this Rush character is (sometimes >> he says funny stuff, and even once or twice I've agreed with him, but >> overall, he's a douche). > > Did you watch the same clip? I see someone who's pretty invested in himself, sorta. I mean, it's all good, and dissenting opinions are o.k. (indeed, great!), but he could be pretty constructive, instead of a polarizer. =)p Whatever's clever, tho, really. >> If you're stuck on a "side", maybe they are opposites. That is sad, >> but apparently the way things are. > > Think about it, no matter what I say you are sure it's wrong. That is sad. Not so. Some of your acrobatics quite impress me. You've made good arguments. But what I'm getting at is beyond "good arguments"... maybe it's about principals. Sorta like that "mathematical morality" Robert proposed. If you're using the logic of numbers, how could you justify 10,000 to 1? Or 5 to 1? 1 to 1? (ok, that's getting silly). To some extent the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but there's this semi-magical thing about America, where we viciously protect the idea that everyone should have, well, a fair shake, sorta. That 50,000 people don't outweigh 1 person, sorta. Bah. What a horrible job I'm doing explaining whatever the heck I'm trying to explain. Perception is an interesting deal. >> I wish you'd use your powers of rationalization for Good, my friend. > > I do, too bad you don't get it:) It's probably because I'm a little bit beyond good and evil. When I say "Good", I mean "the side of the argument I am currently supporting". Or something like that. .... In other words: "FoxNews nails it"?!?! Why not be constructive? Wouldn't it be cool if they were thinking of solutions that would work with the direction the President wants to go? Doesn't seem too un-American so far (unlike torture), so why not give it a shot? Maybe try to make it work, even. If there's one thing I'm sure of (wait, let me run the numbers again... yup), it's that there's always a way. When you have buy-in it *is* generally a little easier, and more likely to succeed, long-term. hmm... /me wanders off -- It is as natural to die as to be born; and to a little infant, perhaps, the one is as painful as the other. 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