On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Gruss wrote: > And, uh, one was a civil war. > > Oh and the other is widely viewed a huge mistake. > > If I'm understanding Robert's point it's that American values are not > compatible with national security. In other words, the American > experiment doesn't work. > > Is that your point? > > Because American values, laws, and its system of justice either work > in peace and in war or they've failed.
And I'm sure you realize that the examples I gave were not the only examples of civil liberties taking a back seat to national security in our history. FBI surveillance programs during the Cold War, for instance. Individual rights are not absolute, they may be exercised only to the point where they interfere with the rights of others. If the exercise of the rights of an individual would result in the deaths of a thousand people, that person's rights may be curtailed to prevent the abuse of the rights of the others. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:286675 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
