None of these are legal. An employer is not allowed to  try and disuade its
employees from discussing/joining a union, nor make threats nor fire the
organizers (at least not in New Jersey where my experience wiht unions stems
from)

On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Judah McAuley <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> By the same token the current law allowing companies to force an
> election allows them time to bully workers into voting "no". They
> routinely coerce employees, they fire organizers, they threaten and
> cajole. Businesses are allowed to compel employees to come to meetings
> where anti-union speakers try to indoctrinate them. Organizers are not
> allowed to post materials in the workplace nor are they allowed to
> hold meetings during work hours.
>
> If we are talking undue influence here I'd have to say that an
> employer has way more undue influence on an employees union choice
> than anyone else.

I disagree. A union can say whatever it wants and even use underhanded
tactics, legally, to force a vote, not so much for an emplyer.

>
>
> Judah
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Robert Munn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Gruss G wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The continued ridiculous nature of your argument remains this: "I,
> >> Robert, not a union member, know what's best for union members"
> >>
> >
> > Your inability to restate my arguments accurately is getting tired, to
> say
> > the least.
> >
> > Card check takes away the rights of people who are NOT union members.
> > Specifically, it takes away their right to decide for themselves, without
> > undue influence from others, whether a union is in their best interests
> or
> > not. If you like taking away people's individual rights, then you, sir,
> are
> > a bully and a bore.
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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