On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Scott Stewart<[email protected]> wrote:
> The only way to dig out of the do nothing political quagmire that we've been > in since the waning days of the Nixon administration, short of a third party > gaining enough votes to win. Is for the center to finally exert it's > dominance and push the extreme left and the extreme right to the sides, and > obscurity, where they belong. There is no middle.I said this years ago about McCain. You can't have a guy in the middle because the middle is different things to different people. Abortion, taxes, religion, guns, healthcare, the size of government... You can get some people that aren't passionate and will compromise on some of these, but others will want all or nothing, what do you do? How do you get the majority to compromise on issues that are split 50-50? Some will have to lose. > McCain isn't giving in to anyone's demands, on the issue of healthcare, he > realizes that the system is broken, and that both sides have some good > ideas, the trick is to give and take a little to get the right legislation > passed.. We know it's not in his nature to simply step and fetch to the > party line, he won't do it. I'd rather have a Congress full of John McCains, > then Nancy Pelosis or Michael Steeles who just parrot their party line and > are more a part of the problem then the solution. The right doesn't want this health care. It's 1000 pages of pure BS that's O is trying to rush through. People like you complaining that people are even discussing it rather then accepting it as is. The plan sucks eggs. Start over using both sides of government rather than saying we one so shut up. > Because I don't subscribe to extremes on either side, doesn't make me in > denial it makes me look at individual issues and how they affect me and > mine. I voted for Obama, not out of any great love for the democrats, but > because > > 1) I stand to gain more from his tax plan You are already paying more taxes and it's getting worse. I voted against him because I knew that. > 2) I could not stomach even the remote possibility of Sarah Palin as > president, she scares the hell out of me, she's a theocrat's wet dream and > she'd be the first one to tear up the Constitution and wipe her ass with the > shreds, except maybe for Mike Huckabee... That is a left wing comment. Tear up the constitution? I think Obama did that. > I think the whole issue of Obama's citizenship is a non-starter, it has no > traction, we've seen a birth certificate, the governor of Hawaii has > certified that he was born in the state, to give it anymore credence is to > legitimize these fringe claims, why even cater to them, all it serves to do > is create more friction in an already divided country. The Gov? I thought it was a health official. You saw a certification not the birth certificate. > I feel that the extreme right is far out of step with the rest of the GOP, The extreme anything is out of step that's why they're extreme. > they've abandoned the fiscal conservancy, small government and "stay out of > the boardroom and the bedroom" cornerstones of the GOP in favor of > theocracy, legislated morality and over the top spending. They'd set the US > back 500 years if they came into any real power. Who are you talking about? You think Sarah Palin is an extremist? I think she represents the middle we keep trying to find. > You're very wrong if you think that I'm some kind of leftist democrat, I'm > not by any stretch of the imagination Your comments on Palin are extremist or fed to you by the media. > Finally... > > But.. the mess we're in now didn't happen overnight, and it didn't just > happen in 100 days, $10 trillion got spent in 100 days. Yeah we're fucked. > it's a result of the band-aid fixes and blunders of the > last five or so administrations. There's plenty of blame to go around but I > don't think Obama should get the lion's share of it. I don't agree with some > of what he did, but he did something... $3/4 trillion is on Bush. The rest is where? What did it fix? > You must be pissed? Why aren't you more vocal about what's happening? > > Mainly because I'm just one person, and screaming at both sides is like > pissing in the wind. Until there is a real change in the way that the system > works, we'll continue to trade one kind of wrong for another. GOP in charge brought the deficit up to $300 Billion? I think. Dems in charge $1.6 trillion? WOW Yeah stim was 750 b but they added 850 b to that? WTF? You should be outraged at the party in charge of everything. > > Not with Iraq, and I really have to place that squarely on W's shoulders, he > had the ear of the top military advisors in the world (the Joint Chiefs) he > could've just said "Here's what I want, go do it, if you can't I want to > know why", but instead he listened to Donald Rumsfeld who with little > military experience thought he knew more than the Joint Chiefs, and Dick > Cheney who stands to gain personally from a protracted war. That's what the press kept saying. I read Tommy Franks book and it said the opposite. Many Generals came forward over the years and stated Bush let the military run the war and he was a damn good listener. > The entire Iraq conflict should've been a covert operation where a pro > western government was set up in exile, with the funds to back it up (and > the mullahs paid off or eliminated), and then Saddam dies suddenly of a > "heart attack" and this new government steps in. Al Queda.. same thing, > gather the intelligence, put the people in place, insert a strike team and > it's Osama Bin Who? Sounds like a novel. Too bad it doesn't work like that in real life. > But our intelligence gathering has sucked since the 80's.. thank you > Aldridge Ames... I thought it was Clinton that disassembled our intelligence. > We may agree on more than a few things, but the talk of things like Obama's > "death committees" and the like is just ridiculous. Really? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574374463280098676.html True reform, he argues, must include redefining doctors' ethical obligations. In the June 18, 2008, issue of JAMA, Dr. Emanuel blames the Hippocratic Oath for the "overuse" of medical care: "Medical school education and post graduate education emphasize thoroughness," he writes. "This culture is further reinforced by a unique understanding of professional obligations, specifically the Hippocratic Oath's admonition to 'use my power to help the sick to the best of my ability and judgment' as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of cost or effect on others." > People need to spend more time finding real answers that work for the long > term.. or or or ... Listening to all sides rather than casting the people you don't agree with as loons? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:302965 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
