in the Brooklyn transcript teenaged girls are mentioned, but she says she is trying to get them away from the pimp.
There does seem to be some discussion of how to show income. Again, it is not illegal to explain how to keep financial records or how to report income. I am not sure if laws were broken there or not. I have heard similar discussions in presentations on how to qualify uncle Fred for disability. I would (personally) feel that ACORN should have said look, if you are making that much money you can afford to discuss this with a tax attorney. Because these guys were not claiming to be low-income. Saying that they don't want the paperwork in the boyfriend's name because he might run for office mmm ... IANAL. And neither are you guys screaming about how terrible this is. But if you live in the house -- and all of these people are telling them that they have to live in the house -- hmm, is it really the "brothel" the blogs are screaming about even if you do tricks there? Not sure. I would say that the scenario presented was lucridous enough to be surreal. I mean really, what aspiring politician would seriously contemplate a relationship with an aspiring madam?? Strikes me as atrocious judgement and probably the ACORN people should have smelled the gotcha, but I am reading the transcripts not looking at the video so I am not sure how smart they were. It's not a place you work unless you are altruistic or you haven't found anything else. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > Clearly you don't get in this type of mess by following best practices. I > didn't say the charges were nonsense. I said I am not sure there's tax fraud > there. I just read one comment about the 9600 figure -- if that was what she > was supposed to be making then, after breaking away from a pimp, that might > have been a suggestion that she commit tax fraud, that's true. > > If it was supposed to be a historic figure, well, is it really her income > if the pimp takes it away from her? That's the crux of the matter, and it's > a legitimate question. When I had it, by the way, I was a contractor for the > Department of Education and it was an official request for guidance from her > college financial aid advisor. I asked for guidance before answering the > question and though that was quite a while ago the thinking is unlikely to > have changed much. A prostitute is supposed to report her income and > essentially make a good faith effort to do so truthfully, knowing that she > might be audited. So it is not tax fraud to help her do that. > > The heart of the matter is whether the pimp is taking the money or she is > giving it and whether he truthfully is doing anything to earn it. Since it > turns on coercion it has to be answered on a case-by-case basis. The answer > in my Pell grant scenario was that the application was likely to be flagged > and that would require a review of her application and situation by a human > being at the community college financial aid department. So if they believed > that she honestly had not had the use of the money, that was what counted. > > There does seem to be be some turning of a blind eye going on in these > ACORN encounters. But prostitution is a reality in these neighborhoods. > I guess these employees may have known people who were involved, and > possibly did not see it as wrong. That *is* a problem though. I am thinking > that it would be against public policy to make a loan to a young woman who > is going to have to break the law to make the payments so if these are FHA > loans that's a problem, and even if they are private lenders, there may be > some regulatory controls that are being flouted. I don't think that's ok, > but I see this in greyscale personally.... > > I am still looking at the Brooklyn transcript. > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Did you not read that congress voted to remove funding, the employees >> were all fired and now ACORN offices nationwide are closed for >> retraining? >> >> But the charges were nonsense :) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Sam you can google and find *anything* on the internet. >> > >> > Actually, in the short time I was associated with ACORN I registered >> quite a >> > few Rebublicans. >> > >> > Low income housing led to government takeovers? WHAT are you smoking?? >> > >> > Overloading the welfare system? where did that come from? It's already >> > broken, Sam, it has been for decades, but where exactly do you figure >> ACORN >> > comes into that? >> > >> > By the way, I just read the DC transcript. Mention of girls, nothing >> about >> > their age. The woman tells them they cannot get a loan without >> documentation >> > then says well, here's my card, since you are a nice guy trying to get >> her >> > out of the life, call me later and I'll try. >> > >> > Huh. Obviously a threat to society. >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:304288 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
