you are correct as to how the law is written but not, I think, in how it will be applied. And sure, if it is misapplied there will be a great outcry but that will be small consolation to the people languishing in jail waiting for their relatives to produce their identification.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Jerry Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, citizens don't have to produce papers. There is nothing here to require > that. You may be required to give your name, but that is nothing new, and is > required in most US states. But you are not required to produce documents. > > And, if the police DO try to require that, I expect hundreds and thousands > of people, as a form of non-violent protest, to refuse. > > Although Judah brought up Terry stops, many legal opinioners don't believe > Terry searches will apply here, since the court very specifically forbid > such searches to COLLECT EVIDENCE. > > "The meaning of the rule is to protect persons from unreasonable searches > and seizures aimed at *gathering evidence*, not searches and seizures > for *other > purposes* (like prevention of crime or personal protection of police > officers)." > > So, stopping a person and frisking them, for the purpose of developing > reasonable suspicion that they are illegal, is not a valid stop. > > You are correct. There is a very large population that are of Mexican and > South American ancestry, and lots and lots with Spanish, who are citizens. > Like maybe 30% of the population (about 2.2 million). Of which maybe 500K > are illegal. > > That means that about 3 out of 4 Hispanics are NOT illegal. > > Which makes profiling based on race and accent and language NOT rise to the > level of reasonable suspicion. > > The math just doesn't work. It cannot be justified. If they start doing it, > and try, then ALL OF THESE PEOPLE YELLING, and all of this media, and all of > these civil rights lawyers, will be all over them to call them on it. I > think the spotlight is firmly on them at this time. Let's see how they do in > the harsh glare of public scrutiny. > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Eric Roberts < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> It's not just resident aliens...but is it also folks where are naturally >> born citizens who have to carry positive proof of their citizenship. How >> do >> you reasonably suspect someone is an illegal alien? When you live in a >> state that has a large Hispanic and AmerIndian population, the aliens look >> like the folks who were born here. Since many Hispanics who were born here >> often speak Spanish from birth and are around a lot of Spanish speakers, it >> is not odd for them to have an accent as well. >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:316759 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
