I have yet to see you disagree with anything Israel does...you are always like a puppy dog happily agreeing with whatever they do and defending their genocidal actions, barking at their feet waiting for them to throw you a bone for your loyalty. I have yet to see 1 negative comment from you in regards to Israel.
Israel, on many occasions, has stated that people that disagree with what she does are anti-Semitic. AIPAC has stated that. Israeli activists have stated that. The anti-defamation league has stated that. That has been the Zionist cry for years...either you are for us and out imperialistic, genocidal takeover of Palestine or you are an anti-Semite...or of you are Jewish and disagree with us, you are a self hating Jew. If this was just some group that supported Hamas...I doubt that Turkey, who at least was, an ally with Israel, would essentially stop diplomatic communication and pull out her ambassadors. That was an official action. While Turkey, being a Muslim nation, is very sensitive to Muslim issues, I don't think they would create a big stir if this was just supporters of Hamas rather than an actual aid flotilla. Yes...this is Israel's fault. They chose to stage a military raid on civilian ships. They have control, of their military. The military did not act on it's own. This was ordered by the Israeli government. Also, if everything is so above the board on this, why are reporters being banned from talking to the civilians they took prisoner? Even Ha'aretz is saying that this was a major fuck up on Israel's part. BTW...when any country builds a wall...it isn't OK...I don't recall anyone saying it was ok in either of those countries and is it just as wrong in Israel. We shouldn't even be allies with Saudi Arabia, one of the worst human rights abusers in the world...where women are not even second class citizens and rape victims get harsher punishments than their rapists do. I also regularly read Ha'aretz (and commentary from US based Jewish newspapers) and the English Al-Jazera to see what is going on in that part of the world from the POV of people in that part of the world. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:04 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international waters. Gel, we might disagree at times but you're at least civil and worth responding to. Not terrorists but terrorist supporters. The IHH was one of the forces behind the flotilla and is a Hamas supporter (as well as other radical groups). Now that the smoke has cleared, it seems that only 1 ship was involved in any combat. The others surrendered immediately. The ship where all of the fighting took place was the Turkish Mavi Marmara. The number of dead stands at 9, half of whom are confirmed Turkish while the others are assumed Turkish as well. In addition, 7 of the soldiers were wounded, 2 critically so. There is no statement on 60 injured at all. Oh, and watch the Israel video as well. I think you'll see something that tells a story different than that told by the flotilla leaders. Much different. The Israeli soldiers were given insane orders not to fire when first confronted and were sent down in a truly stupid manner. Once they hit the decks they were mobbed. No wonder so many were wounded and weapons were snatched. This operation was poorly thought out, poorly planned and poorly executed. Whoever was in charge put their soldiers in harms way due to their conflicting orders. Also, despite the rhetoric, Israel has not said that anyone who does not support it is an anti-Semite. They say that anyone who singles it out for special condemnation above and beyond that of other nations is. When Spain builds a 'security wall', it's ok. When Saudi Arabia does it, it's ok. When Israel does it, major condemnation. That's anti-Semitic. I don't always agree with Israel. I doubt anyone here always agrees with Israel. I doubt anyone here really knows whats happening in Israel past what they read in non-Israeli papers. On the same note, I doubt that anyone here reads the translations of Arabic papers or shows. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only persons saying that the flotilla was organised by terrorist > groups is Israel. > Turkey never supported that statement, neither did any of the other > world governments who's citizens were on-board those ships. > > Whether or not the freedom flotilla was organised by terrorist groups > or not, Israel knew they were full of innocent civilians. > > The question for the International Community therefore is did 19 > people have to die, and did over 60 others have to be injured to > 'secure' Israel? > Was there no other way that did not involve overt military force and deaths? > > And the answer to anyone with even a modicum of Diplomatic > training,Military Training, or common sense is a resounding YES. > There were other ways. > > Ergo 19 people did not have to die. and 60 people did not have to be wounded. > > Israel needs to PROVE that those DEAD were HAMAS, or Terrorists or > Terrorist Supporters. > They need to PROVE that the 60 wounded were Hamas, or Terrorists, or > Terrorist supporters. > They need to PROVE that these ships were transporting weapons and explosives. > > If they cannot PROVE this then they are guilty of using far too much > force on innocent civilians. > > If any other country but Israel had committed such a massacre there > would have been hell to pay. People are not stupid, Israel can say > till it is blue in the face that every organisation that believes the > people in Gaza are suffering is a Terrorist Group; Israel can claim > that anyone who does not believe in its own cause is an Anti Semite. > But Israel has not seemed to notice that the growing majority of > people on this planet aren't buying it anymore. > > Incidents such as these underscore the growing disconnect the world > has with Israel. > > And today we hear that the UN has agreed to do nothing. > They want an independent investigation....run by Israel, into what happened. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:319859 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
