I think if you had posted this in the first place the discussion would
have proceeded a lot more smoothly :-)

You got extremely emotional, and its within that context that I take
what you are saying.
I must point out though, that this little piece I have quoted is the
most cogent thing you've said that just about anyone can understand
about the situation.

On 1 June 2010 11:58, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Israel, on many occasions, has stated that people that disagree with what
> she does are anti-Semitic.  AIPAC has stated that.  Israeli activists have
> stated that.  The anti-defamation league has stated that.  That has been the
> Zionist cry for years...either you are for us and out imperialistic,
> genocidal takeover of Palestine or you are an anti-Semite...or of you are
> Jewish and disagree with us, you are a self hating Jew.
>
> If this was just some group that supported Hamas...I doubt that Turkey, who
> at least was, an ally with Israel, would essentially stop diplomatic
> communication and pull out her ambassadors.  That was an official action.
> While Turkey, being a Muslim nation, is very sensitive to Muslim issues, I
> don't think they would create a big stir if this was just supporters of
> Hamas rather than an actual aid flotilla.
>
> Yes...this is Israel's fault.  They chose to stage a military raid on
> civilian ships.  They have control, of their military.  The military did not
> act on it's own.  This was ordered by the Israeli government.  Also, if
> everything is so above the board on this, why are reporters being banned
> from talking to the civilians they took prisoner?  Even Ha'aretz is saying
> that this was a major fuck up on Israel's part.
>
> BTW...when any country builds a wall...it isn't OK...I don't recall anyone
> saying it was ok in either of those countries and is it just as wrong in
> Israel.  We shouldn't even be allies with Saudi Arabia, one of the worst
> human rights abusers in the world...where women are not even second class
> citizens and rape victims get harsher punishments than their rapists do.
>
> I also regularly read Ha'aretz (and commentary from US based Jewish
> newspapers) and the English Al-Jazera to see what is going on in that part
> of the world from the POV of people in that part of the world

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