Pair programming? oooh, that sounds like fun! ;-)
-Ben > yeah I think that's it. > > regardless - pretty useful information - awesome actually. > I am doing some reading at: > http://www.extremeprogramming.org/ > http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Methodologies/Object-Oriented/Extreme_Prog > ramming/ > > in searching on Extreme Programming I came across > http://www.pairprogramming.com/ > > Great reading. thanks for the direction. > > I have been playing around with some of the concepts without knowing it was > "extreme programming" - and I think it lends itself unbelievably well to web > application development especially the projects I work on. > > At my last job - I was trying to convince them to create an "innovation > centre" - where there were no rules (well theres always rules) - but the > emphasis would be on creating applications, experimenting a little bit. Step > outside the proverbial box. I was willing to bet that 90% of the innovation > would come from just 10% of their IT budget - simply by making the resources > available to people who want to contribute, and fostering a collaborative > supportive environment for them to create their visions. > > I should note: we outsourced our technical requirements. The company that > got the initial contract was a startup - and green in its development > methods and structures. We pushed their technical capabilities and had our > own challenges and deadlines that weren't being met as a result. What I > think we should/could have done is an entirely different discussion... but > what we did was get frustrated and squandered the relationship and was > forced to find a new technical provider. > > We hired a "structured" project manager to assist the new developers by > feeding them detailed specifications. He did a great job - a hardworking > detail guy - but I don't think he was really in synch with products and > services we were offering and so that created some new problems. Depending > on who you talk of course - but yes - you ARE talking ta me right now. > > but I diverge - back to the innovation centre. The innovation centre meant a > couple of things to me. 1) it meant I could build web applications - and > demonstrate some appoaches to problems in hands on real terms (there's a > bunch of stuff I wanted to see happen - and words don't create momentum - > XML, LDAP blah balh blah) 2) I wasn't the only one with technical > capabilities that had something to contribute. At least 20% of the company > had some to excellent technical capabilities - at least 3 of us could have > built what we outsourced. > > An example of an innovation centre project. The initial specifications of > the site used LDAP for user management and security - good or bad, I don't > know, you tell me - but for me it created a bunch of interesting scenarios. > The original developers didn't know how to do LDAP stuff so they changed the > specification from CF and LDAP to ASP. I liked LDAP because I perceived it > as a standard which could be used for authentication for a myriad of > potential services built around our core. Web mail, MS Content Management > Server (then Resolution) - and whatever. anything that could usse LDAP for > user authentication could be quickly added as a service. I wanted to get it > to work - to see it work, I do understand that the conception is certainly > different that performance - but I really liked the idea of LDAP and wanted > to prove/disprove its value. > > I really like the model of XP, and have been thinking about piecing together > a collaborative prototype engine that interactively builds a wireframe of a > site - and really emphasizes the cooperation and conversation between the > different stakeholders on a particular site. > > The model would be something like: > Step 1. Create a New Concept. > Step 2. Define Stakeholders > Step 3. Define Layout of Site > Step 4. Start Wireframing site - each page has a separate discussion area - > each page represents either a piece of content or an application. > Step 5. Look and Feel > Step 6. Cycle through content and applications - collecting and building. > > sort of like the wireframing tool thats floating around, combined with the > dev notes - with the ability to change layouts, style sheets and graphics > etc. > > I'm getting a little out there... time to do some coding. > > Thanks for the link. > Eric > > > > > From: "Erika L. Walker-Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: tandem development > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:26:24 +0100 > > Extreme Programming > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=extreme+programming+book&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF > 8&hl=en&meta= > > Is this what you're looking for? > > Erika > With a K > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>| -----Original Message----- > >>| From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>| Sent: 23 May 2002 19:12 > >>| To: CF-Community > >>| Subject: tandem development > >>| > >>| > >>| someone posted a link to a book that talked about > >>| development practices. > >>| This book talked about tandem development teams - ie two disctinct > >>| developers working together to finish a single project. > >>| > >>| Does anyone know what I am talking about or have any > >>| insight to this method? > >>| > >>| Makes total sense to me - and probably creates a great dynamic for > >>| outsourced development. > >>| > >>| Later > >>| Eric > >>| > >>| > >>| > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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