LOL ! I do Apple programming on Windows 2K - my computer runs Win2K, and I'm shaped like an apple <g>.
-Ben > Which is distinctly different from pear programming, which (noticing my current > fitness level) is what I do. > > Jerry Johnson > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 04:10PM >>> > Pair programming? > oooh, that sounds like fun! > > ;-) > > -Ben > > > yeah I think that's it. > > > > regardless - pretty useful information - awesome actually. > > I am doing some reading at: > > http://www.extremeprogramming.org/ > > > http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Methodologies/Object-Oriented/Extreme_Prog > > ramming/ > > > > in searching on Extreme Programming I came across > > http://www.pairprogramming.com/ > > > > Great reading. thanks for the direction. > > > > I have been playing around with some of the concepts without knowing it was > > "extreme programming" - and I think it lends itself unbelievably well to web > > application development especially the projects I work on. > > > > At my last job - I was trying to convince them to create an "innovation > > centre" - where there were no rules (well theres always rules) - but the > > emphasis would be on creating applications, experimenting a little bit. Step > > outside the proverbial box. I was willing to bet that 90% of the innovation > > would come from just 10% of their IT budget - simply by making the resources > > available to people who want to contribute, and fostering a collaborative > > supportive environment for them to create their visions. > > > > I should note: we outsourced our technical requirements. The company that > > got the initial contract was a startup - and green in its development > > methods and structures. We pushed their technical capabilities and had our > > own challenges and deadlines that weren't being met as a result. What I > > think we should/could have done is an entirely different discussion... but > > what we did was get frustrated and squandered the relationship and was > > forced to find a new technical provider. > > > > We hired a "structured" project manager to assist the new developers by > > feeding them detailed specifications. He did a great job - a hardworking > > detail guy - but I don't think he was really in synch with products and > > services we were offering and so that created some new problems. Depending > > on who you talk of course - but yes - you ARE talking ta me right now. > > > > but I diverge - back to the innovation centre. The innovation centre meant a > > couple of things to me. 1) it meant I could build web applications - and > > demonstrate some appoaches to problems in hands on real terms (there's a > > bunch of stuff I wanted to see happen - and words don't create momentum - > > XML, LDAP blah balh blah) 2) I wasn't the only one with technical > > capabilities that had something to contribute. At least 20% of the company > > had some to excellent technical capabilities - at least 3 of us could have > > built what we outsourced. > > > > An example of an innovation centre project. The initial specifications of > > the site used LDAP for user management and security - good or bad, I don't > > know, you tell me - but for me it created a bunch of interesting scenarios. > > The original developers didn't know how to do LDAP stuff so they changed the > > specification from CF and LDAP to ASP. I liked LDAP because I perceived it > > as a standard which could be used for authentication for a myriad of > > potential services built around our core. Web mail, MS Content Management > > Server (then Resolution) - and whatever. anything that could usse LDAP for > > user authentication could be quickly added as a service. I wanted to get it > > to work - to see it work, I do understand that the conception is certainly > > different that performance - but I really liked the idea of LDAP and wanted > > to prove/disprove its value. > > > > I really like the model of XP, and have been thinking about piecing together > > a collaborative prototype engine that interactively builds a wireframe of a > > site - and really emphasizes the cooperation and conversation between the > > different stakeholders on a particular site. > > > > The model would be something like: > > Step 1. Create a New Concept. > > Step 2. Define Stakeholders > > Step 3. Define Layout of Site > > Step 4. Start Wireframing site - each page has a separate discussion area - > > each page represents either a piece of content or an application. > > Step 5. Look and Feel > > Step 6. Cycle through content and applications - collecting and building. > > > > sort of like the wireframing tool thats floating around, combined with the > > dev notes - with the ability to change layouts, style sheets and graphics > > etc. > > > > I'm getting a little out there... time to do some coding. > > > > Thanks for the link. > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > From: "Erika L. Walker-Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: tandem development > > Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:26:24 +0100 > > > > Extreme Programming > > > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=extreme+programming+book&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF > > 8&hl=en&meta= > > > > Is this what you're looking for? > > > > Erika > > With a K > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > >>| -----Original Message----- > > >>| From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>| Sent: 23 May 2002 19:12 > > >>| To: CF-Community > > >>| Subject: tandem development > > >>| > > >>| > > >>| someone posted a link to a book that talked about > > >>| development practices. > > >>| This book talked about tandem development teams - ie two disctinct > > >>| developers working together to finish a single project. > > >>| > > >>| Does anyone know what I am talking about or have any > > >>| insight to this method? > > >>| > > >>| Makes total sense to me - and probably creates a great dynamic for > > >>| outsourced development. > > >>| > > >>| Later > > >>| Eric > > >>| > > >>| > > >>| > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
