I suppose you have? You have been to China and South and Central America on a tour of Wal-Mart's factories?
BTW - when did Wal-Mart get into the manufacturing business? I thought they merely sold what others have manufactured. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > No...just Walmart...have you seen thier factories in China and in South and > Central America? Though if you are buying products from China, the chances > of them being from a sweatshop are pretty high. They don;t have the labor > protections that we have here and unrestrained capitalism, sheat shops are > the norm...though i have a feeling thats going to change soon and they are > going to go through what we went through at the end of the 19th century and > first half of the 20th century with the lashback from the workers as some > people in thier country starts to prosper and they don't. > > Eric > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Wy single out Wal-Mart? >> >> Target, K-Mart and the like sell pretty much the same products. Does >> only Wal-Mart buy them from the Chinese? >> >> Would you rather see me buy and expensive POS just because it was made >> in this country? I would love to buy only American goods, but bottom >> line is, its too expensive to do so, and there is rarely added value >> just for 'buying American'. >> >> Also, nice to see you still have that broad brush you like to paint >> with. So now, every company that buys goods form China or elsewhere is >> buying them from 'sweat shops'. >> >> I just love a dose of Eric's absolutionism in the morning. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > as long as Stevie is an American...sure. I wouldn't outsourcing it to a >> guy >> > in India just because he was cheaper. Maybe if people would stop >> shopping >> > at placfes like Walmart who buy goods made is sweatshops and only buy >> > American when you can, things would change. With as much as Walmart buys >> > from China, they should just start spelling their name in Chinese. >> While, >> > yes, some of the balme goes to consumers who, instead of buying >> > conscientiously, go with whatever crap is cheaper, even if it is a POS >> made >> > buy children and women in sweatshops overseas, most of the blame goes to >> > corporations who are more interested in how much profit they can make >> > regardless of who they screw over and the republicans that empowered them >> to >> > do so by encouraging outsourcing overseas. >> > >> > Eric >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Sadly, a lot of the left leaning people on this list will blame the >> >> decline in manufacturing on the 'big, bad corporations'. I am not >> >> saying that they do not share in some of the blame...key word there is >> >> 'some'. >> >> >> >> However, I think the blame also falls on others. Lets start with one >> >> that I know will ruffle some feathers - unions. Unions demand more and >> >> more of corporations, making it less and less profitable to continue >> >> to do business here. >> >> >> >> Next, I blame everyone else. We all want the latest and greatest >> >> goods, but we refuse to pay a lot of money for them. This also puts >> >> corporations in a precarious position where they need to deliver >> >> quality goods as cheaply as they can. That is not gonna happen in a >> >> plant in America. >> >> >> >> Let's say that Johnny, you neighbor, cuts your lawn for $40 a week. >> >> Would you continue to pay Johnny, just because he is your neighbor, >> >> when Stevie, from across town, is willing to do the same job, or >> >> better, for $5 a week? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Maureen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Corporate America and the Chinese government don't want the public >> >> > focused on this information, hence the huge disinformation campaign to >> >> > blame the high unemployment rate on illegals and on failed stimulus. >> >> > >> >> > 1) The United States has lost approximately 42,400 factories since >> >> > 2001. About 75 percent of those factories employed over 500 people >> >> > when they were still in operation. >> >> > >> >> > 2) Dell Inc., one of Americas largest manufacturers of computers, has >> >> > announced plans to dramatically expand its operations in China with an >> >> > investment of over $100 billion over the next decade. >> >> > >> >> > 3) Dell has announced it will be closing its last large U.S. >> >> > manufacturing facility in Winston-Salem, North Carolina in November. >> >> > Approximately 900 jobs will be lost. >> >> > >> >> > 4) In 2008, 1.2 billion cellphones were sold worldwide. How many of >> >> > them were manufactured inside the United States? Zero. >> >> > >> >> > 5) According to a new study conducted by the Economic Policy >> >> > Institute, if the U.S. trade deficit with China continues to increase >> >> > at its current rate, the U.S. economy will lose over half a million >> >> > jobs this year alone. >> >> > >> >> > 6) As of the end of July, the U.S. trade deficit with China had risen >> >> > 18 percent compared to the same time period a year ago. >> >> > >> >> > 7) The United States has lost a total of about 5.5 million >> >> > manufacturing jobs since October 2000. >> >> > >> >> > 8) According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the >> >> > foreign affiliates of U.S. parent companies increased an astounding 30 >> >> > percent to 10.1 million. During that exact same time period, U.S. >> >> > employment at American multinational corporations declined 8 percent >> >> > to 21.1 million. >> >> > >> >> > 9) In 1959, manufacturing represented 28 percent of U.S. economic >> >> > output. In 2008, it represented 11.5 percent. >> >> > >> >> > 10) Ford Motor Company recently announced the closure of a factory >> >> > that produces the Ford Ranger in St. Paul, Minnesota. Approximately >> >> > 750 good-paying middle-class jobs are going to be lost because making >> >> > Ford Rangers in Minnesota does not fit in with Fords new global >> >> > manufacturing strategy. >> >> > >> >> > 11) As of the end of 2009, fewer than 12 million Americans worked in >> >> > manufacturing. The last time fewer than 12 million Americans were >> >> > employed in manufacturing was in 1941. >> >> > >> >> > 12) In the United States today, consumption accounts for 70 percent of >> >> > GDP. Of this 70 percent, over half is spent on services. >> >> > >> >> > 13) The United States has lost a whopping 32 percent of its >> >> > manufacturing jobs since the year 2000. >> >> > >> >> > 14) In 2001, the United States ranked fourth in the world in per >> >> > capita broadband Internet use. Today it ranks 15th. >> >> > >> >> > 15) Manufacturing employment in the U.S. computer industry is actually >> >> > lower in 2010 than it was in 1975. >> >> > >> >> > 16) Printed circuit boards are used in tens of thousands of different >> >> > products. Asia now produces 84 percent of them worldwide. >> >> > >> >> > 17) The United States spends approximately $3.90 on Chinese goods for >> >> > every $1 that the Chinese spend on goods from the United States. >> >> > >> >> > 18) One prominent economist is projecting that the Chinese economy >> >> > will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:328826 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
