I don't think he was saying to throw it away, just that it isn't an
effective measure to "ensure" someone's loyalty.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Sisk, Kris [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: RE: I think this is ridiculous...


True enough. Unfortunately there's really no better mechanism for
weeding out those people than the naturalization process (except maybe a
harsher naturalization process, but that's outside the scope of this
discussion). I don't think that just because some people, like the Times
Square bomber, slip through the cracks that we should just throw the
whole thing away and give a vote to anyone with a green card. If
someone's truly dedicated to destroying this country you can't really
stop them. Similarly, if someone is truly determined to break into your
house, they're going to get in. That doesn't mean you shouldn't lock
your door when you leave.

-----Original Message-----
From: Medic [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:58 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: I think this is ridiculous...


When did I say that? Geez. Everyone seems to have a.d.d. here.

Here's the road map:

Larry Said:

As if a simple oath would prevent someone who is determined to destroy
the
nation as you described.
That sort of person would have no problem with doing the entire
citizenship
route if that is what it took.


Then you said:

It's not the oath that would prevent them from doing so. It's the fact
that
getting citizenship is a royal pain.
Most of the time you'd have to be pretty dedicated to want to go through
that process.



This implied that the "royal pain" of getting citizenship would prevent
someone "who is determined to destroy the nation" from doing so.
And that those people don't have the dedication required to follow
through
on the process.


Then I said:

...more dedicated than someone willing to strap a bomb to their chest?


This statement is meant to show that someone who is dedicated enough to
blow
themselves up wouldn't be lacking the determination required to wait the
five years for citizenship as you implied.

Now do we all understand?






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