> > > A requirement of a theory is that it's predictive, meaning empirically > proven, thus it's a fact. > > Thus, the Theory of Evolution is predictive and it's outcomes are verified by > repeatable experiments. Therefore, it's a scientific fact. > > Here ya go from wiki: > > A fact (derived from the Latin Factum, see below) is something that has > really occurred or is actually the case. The usual test for a statement of > fact is whether or not it can be verified, that is whether it can be shown to > correspond to experience. Standard reference works are often used to check > facts. Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments. > > > A common distinction sometimes made in science is between theories and > hypotheses, with the former being considered as satisfactorily tested or > proven and the latter used to denote conjectures or proposed descriptions or > models which have not yet been tested or proven to the same standard. > > > > On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If it's a scientific theory it's fact. >> >> I think what you're missing is that a theory might not predict ALL facts, >> but that doesn't make it less of a fact. >> >> Again, newtons law of gravity is not invalidated in total, just below a >> certain accuracy where the theory of relativity is now required. >> >> But newtons law, above that level, is still a fact! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't agree with that. E.g. Quantum mechanics is a theory which >>>> predicts how electrons behave, which is basis of how your computer works. >>>> >>>> Thus if we agree that your computer as a working system is a fact then >>>> then framework used to get that fact must also be a fact. >>> >>> We agree the sun appears almost every day yet it is not the center of >>> the universe. >>> >>>> You can get more fuzzy and say that newtons theory of gravity predicts >>>> facts above a certain granularity. Thus above that level it's a fact. >>> >>> And what's wrong with condition based rules? >>> >>>> Take the fuzzy fact concept one step farther: the theory of relativity. >>>> >>>> Is gravity a fact? Then how would you explain superfluidity? It defies >>>> gravity. >>> >>> I don't know what it is. >>> >>>> If scientific theories aren't facts then there are no facts. >>> >>> I'm not saying they can't be facts, just that the label doesn't guarantee >>> it so. >>> >>>
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