On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think it's that telling that the MLK center won't let them
> stay in daylight hours -- they are in business as a museum not a
> protest venue, right? The guy that authorized the overnight stays was
> probably nervous enough about *that*...
>

Well, none of the venues that various Occupy protesters are using are
"protest venues".


> There's a balance between using public spaces and letting other people
> use them too. I get the impression that some activists are determined
> not to find that balance.


Yup.


> It really is hard to tell whether these "advocates" are doing more
> harm than good. Yet. The city is even more wrong. Santa Cruz arrests
> people for singing on its main street, if it's the wrong kind of
> singing, and once arrested one of these activists for flipping a Nazi
> salute when the city council told him open meeting or not he and his
> friend were not welcome.
>

A college friend of mine lived in Santa Cruz for awhile and I visited him a
few times.  I remember being shocked at how overbearing the laws were
there, considering how liberal the city claims to be.  There was some law
about dog walking in the city that I found particularly ridiculous and
overbearing - don't remember exactly what it was now.

In fact I remember having a long conversation with him about how,
paradoxically, the more liberal an area is in California, somewhat
paradoxically, it seemed to be proportionally more restrictive.


> That's wrong even though I can see why they wish he would go away.
> There's a ban on camping inside the city in part because of him. Yet.
> The city arrests people for sleeping. I have a problem with that.
> People do tend to do that sooner or later no matter how hard they try
>

The homeless are a serious problem in most cities in the US.  I liken OA to
homeless more than to protesters, along with similar problems that come
along with the homeless.  Sleeping in public spaces, behaving erratically,
and unreasonably.  Perhaps not as much mental problems, though depending on
what your policial leanings are some might disagree with that too.

-Cameron

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