What everyone fail to realize.. No matter who became president back in 2008, the economic downturn had to complete it's course of what Bush created.. You have to ask yourself, do you want to continue with the similar policies during Bush terms, by voting for Romney, or do you want the economy and jobs to continue to improve slowly as it has the last 2.5 years under Pres Obama.. I don't understand why people and the President thought the economy and jobs could be turned around in less than 3 years, because the 1st year of Pres Obama term, Bush policies were still in place.. That's just how it is for a 1st term President taking over.. I don't think Pres Obama knew how bad it really was until he took over.. And he most definitely didn't rely on Republicans going against anything he brought to the table.. It wasn't about the American people at all
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I often joke (well..it's mostly joking) that we should pull recall all > our soldiers, close the borders and hand a sign on the door that says, > "We will get back to you when we get our own shit together" > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:23 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This, Larry, this :) >> >> As Scott said, there is no magic bullet, althogh I will say, moving from an >> interventionist force to a defensive one would be an excellent start. >> On Oct 19, 2012 10:07 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> My issue with both sides is that whenever they discuss cuts, its more >>> in context of social engineering. For instance a democratic party rep >>> will talk about oil subsidies, but neglect farm subsidies. Similarly a >>> republican will discuss cutting back on social programs, but increase >>> taxes on the very wealthy or cut back on weapons programs and they >>> want to burn you ask the stake. >>> >>> Perhaps the best idea would be to have an independent group that >>> recommends what to be cut. You can set up its mandate in such a way to >>> ensure that it would be equitable and not affect the vulnerable in >>> society or national security. >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> My wife and I have spent the last year trying to get ourselves out of >>>> debt. The first thing we realized is that just cutting spending or >>>> just increasing revenue was not going to be enough to get the job done >>>> effectively. We needed to cut our spending AND increase revenue - >>>> which has been working quite nicely. >>>> >>>> I cannot see why politicians cannot see the same thing. Republicans >>>> think we only need to cut spending. Democrats think we only need to >>>> raise taxes. Neither of them is correct. We need to do both. >>>> >>>> I understand that having a sluggish economy (admitted understatement) >>>> adds some interesting variables to the mix, but I think we still need >>>> to cut spending AND raise taxes - to some degree. >>>> >>>> I like Gov. Romney's 'smell test' when it comes to spending. 'Should >>>> we be borrowing money from China to pay for this?' Kind of like my >>>> wife and I asking, 'Should we be borrowing money from Capital One to >>>> go out to dinner?'. >>>> >>>> I also can't stand that people are looking for 'the silver bullet'. >>>> That one budget item that we can cut that will solve everything. My >>>> wife and I did not find the extra money we needed every month to cover >>>> paying down our debt faster by cutting out a huge expense (like car or >>>> mortgage), we found it by eliminating or lowering a lot of smaller >>>> expenses. >>>> >>>> That is why I don't necessarily disagree with Gov. Romney saying he >>>> will cut funding to PBS. I think we are more likely to find ways to >>>> trim the budget by taking small pieces from a lot of different places >>>> than one huge piece from one place. And yes, I know that sound a lot >>>> like the budget meeting in the movie Dave. And I also know we are >>>> talking about tremendous amounts of money - I still think this concept >>>> can scale nicely, though...maybe >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "No one wants to hear it but as a nation we are bankrupt, morally, >>>>> intellectually >>>>> and fiscally." >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, this is spot on. >>>>> >>>>> And all three items are deeply intwined together. If people were more >>>>> intellectually aware, they would not accept the fiscal chicanery going >>> on. >>>>> If our citizens were morally sound, they would not accept pushing debt >>> on >>>>> future children. >>>>> >>>>> The shit that is going on in the EU is coming here. Austerity. Wonder >>> if >>>>> our country will have mass riots while the leaders win the Nobel peace >>>>> prize. >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood >>> of >>>>> patriots and tyrants. - Thomas Jefferson >>>>> >>>>> When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying >>> any >>>>> of the growing evils, but by removing the corruption and restoring its >>> lost >>>>> principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil - >>>>> Montesquieu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:356316 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
