On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Bruce Sorge <[email protected]> wrote: > > Let's start with how the Benghazi story was first put out, that it was not a > terrorist act, but rather started by a video
That was what they thought because that was what happened in Egypt. They were wrong and soon realized that. They should have been more forthcoming in the aftermath and I fault them about the relay of information around consular security (this is the worst one to me) but the story around Benghazi was not something to call them on. > Fast and furious began under the Bush administration It did. Under a different name, but same fundamental program. The Obama administration doubled down on it though and they should be hammered for it. > Says his budget will cut the deficit by 4 trillion over 10 years Which bit do you want to call out on that and with what facts? > You didn't build that Uh, how is that a lie? It's absolutely true that companies don't spring into existence fully formed and without any support from common infrastructure. I've built web development companies but those companies wouldn't exist without the Internet, as an example. He was absolutely, 100% right. > During 2012 state of the union, said that American oil production is at it's > highest in eight years He said 8 year high and he was correct. > Says he has done more for Israel's security than any other president Ehud Barak agrees. Please also take a look at aid numbers. > Said that the jobs bill was paid for It wasn't? > Said that there is no where else in the US to drill for oil I'm not familiar with this statement. When did he say it and in what context? I know the argument has come up that there are thousands of existing exploration permits that are sitting unused. Perhaps something along those lines? > Said that there were no boots on the ground in Libya , but yet the AC-130 > gunships just happen to be able to hit their targets without a spotter? Weird. > You might be right but I'm unaware of any evidence to support your claim. Do you have any? I wouldn't be surprised if you are right, but I have not heard of any evidence substantiating your claim. > The list goes on and on and these are just some of the things in the last 3+ > years I an think of off the top of my head. Mostly sounds like you just don't like the dude. I can understand that. There is a lot of garbage around Fast and Furious (for example), around ass covering regarding the security situation in Benghazi, the administration crapping on FOIA requests, continued escalation of the use of National Security Letters, the list goes on quite a bit for me. But let's be factual and take a step back when calling out "lies". > And the best one ever (not a lie really, just taking credit for someone > else's work) is how he takes credit for taking troops out of Iraq when in > actuality the plan was already put in place before he took office. And then > he failed to come up with a SOFA agreement to keep limited troops there in > case shit pops off like it has. So basically he left Iraq hanging. > I give him credit for following through on the withdrawal, there are a whole lot of people who argued we shouldn't. And he doubled down in Afghanistan, which went directly against the base that wanted us to bring everyone back home, period. May or may not have been the smartest idea, but it had the strength of conviction at least. As for the SOFA, how can you really blame anyone other than Iraq on that? Iraq's government was a clusterfuck and the only agreement that might have conceivably been done there would have put our guys at great risk and directly under the legal finger of the changing whims of Iraqi leadership. I just don't see how you could argue that we could have negotiated a SOFA that would be acceptable to both sides (presuming that you believe that our troops needed to be shielded whims of the Iraqi political situation). Cheers, Judah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:356462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
