I would disagree. Seccession and revolution are the right and even duty of every American when the government has come to ignore the limitations placed upon it by the constitution. Remember Jefferson didn't want us to go a single generation without violent revolt, and didn't even want to see debts and laws carried out over more than 20 years.
Our president is a so called constitutional scholar, credentials and and good PR mean nothing to me. I read the laws and cases and make up my own mind, and in the vast majority of cases I am morally, legally and logically consistant. Larry, with your understanding of our government, laws and history; do you think the founders would have passed a law like those suggested without bothering to follow the amendment process they created? By simply legislating in areas that they are prohibited from, or even by decree of the president without vote or oversight? On Jan 10, 2013 12:54 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" <[email protected]> wrote: > > So what you're saying Tim is that the 2nd Amendment is to prevent > tyrannical governments. If violence against an oppressive government > were somehow countenanced in the Second Amendment, then Timothy > McVeigh and Lee Harvey Oswald would have been vindicated for their > heinous actions. As constitutional scholar Roscoe Pound noted, a > legal right of the citizen to wage war on the government is something > that cannot be admitted because it would defeat the whole Bill of > Rights including the Second Amendment. > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Good. > > > > When the government fears the people you have freedom. > > On Jan 10, 2013 12:41 PM, "Dana" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> I have to say, Tim, you scare people when you say this stuff. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson <[email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > And again you steered right off the crazy cliff. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:38 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > I would sooner see you dead in the street. I don't dislike you, and > >> > > actually have a good deal of resect for you and sympaty for your > >> beliefs, > >> > > but I would sooner kill you, and there are more then enough people > that > >> > > agree with me that if enacted these kinds of laws will make this > >> country > >> > > collapse into the flame and blood of civil war. > >> > > > >> > > You do not have the right to do these things. Period, the end dead > >> stop. > >> > > I'm not threatening you or anyone else, only reminding you that as > >> > > Americans we have another recourse outside the legal framework, and > >> that > >> > > 3-10% of us are more than willing to do whatever is necessary to > defend > >> > our > >> > > inalienable natural god given rights. Are you willing to kill and > die > >> > for > >> > > this? > >> > > > >> > > I am. > >> > > On Jan 10, 2013 10:05 AM, "GMoney" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > OK. > >> > > > > >> > > > Outlaw the import, sale, manufacture and possession of hand guns. > >> > > > > >> > > > In the near term, only criminals will have hand guns...the rest > of us > >> > > will > >> > > > have shot guns or rifles or whatever brand of assault rifle we see > >> fit. > >> > > As > >> > > > the years go by, the number of hand guns will decrease to the > point > >> > where > >> > > > they are relatively rare. > >> > > > > >> > > > I don't pretend that there is any solution that represents a > >> panacea. I > >> > > > just know that hand guns are unnecessary, serve no purpose other > than > >> > to > >> > > > aid criminals, we'd be better off without them, the status quo is > >> > > > unacceptable, and any short term pain required to make things > better > >> in > >> > > the > >> > > > long run...is worth it, in my opinion. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Sam <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > So, dispute it. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > . > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > >> > [email protected] > >> > > > > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > can you parrot any other NRA talking point, I mean try for a > >> > trifecta > >> > > > > > here. Really Sam, ever try for anything original? That > argument > >> is > >> > so > >> > > > > > cliched and old that its collecting social security. If that's > >> the > >> > > > > > best you can do why are you here? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:359935 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
