Late entry to the fray, so I'll enter at my own risk (since things look like they've gotten frisky!)
I am the father of 3 kids, 2 girls and 1 boy, oldest is 16. I've had to deal with all of these issues and will have to continue to deal with all of these issues. They will have to deal with these issues just as our parents had to deal with these issues (Rolling Stones, Honky Tonk; Aerosmith, Pandora's Box to name a few with fairly obscene lyrics that I still like today that Mom never liked) "Artists" actions are completely out of my control. Therefore I refuse to abdicate my responsibility to a third party. Further, part of the negatives of free speech is that we must let those that choose to be rude, crude and even despicable express themselves (what if someone doesn't like what I say, do). Therefore, I really can't support censorship. As a parent while I can't keep them from the crap, I can and hopefully have instilled in them a sense of right, wrong, good and bad. This evolves building up their self esteem so they can say no and speak their mind. It also involves listening to their music, their listening to mine, discussing in grown-up terms why I don't like certain lyrics and asking them why they like the lyrics. Etc. We shouldn't grow a thicker skin, we shouldn't believe the I'm OK, your OK bullshit. We should take responsibility for what we read, listen to and say. We should choose not to associate with those people who violate those key tenets that we hold dear. We should hold our children to the same responsibility. This is not a government function. It is my job. That's all. Good night. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Eminem It's vapid if I provide a good defense and you counter with the same straw man I've already tore down. That's pure vapidness. If you don't like being confronted with the truth, grow a thicker skin. To place the blame on parents is pure bullshit. Even the best parents can't keep this crap from kids and it's intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise. H. > -----Original Message----- > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:55 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Eminem > > > Obviously you don't have a strong defense since you resort to rudeness. > As it stands, I _did_ read your piece and just chose to disagree with > you - but it doesn't mean I think you are 'vapid' either. If you would > like to continue talking about this in a somewhat mature fashion, I'd > love to as well. > > -Ray > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:46 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Eminem > > > > > > Obviously, Raymond, you did not read my piece, our you > > wouldn't run out the intellectually vapid argument of blaming > > the parents. > > > > H. > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > from: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:29:07 -0400 > > > > >While I don't like Eminem - kids are not his problem. If the parents > > >have a problem with his music, it's their job to make sure the kids > > >don't get the CDs. > > >I can think of plenty of CDs, books, etc, that are not > > appropriate for > > >children, but that as an adult I enjoy. If the parent can't do their > > >job, it's their fault - not Eminems. > > > > > >-rc > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
